Corona Virus

[electro's horse]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, it blew my mind when in the very same week packed Ozark pool parties were widely condemned as reckless behavior while packed protests were celebrated by the very same people. WTF? The virus doesn't care about your sociopolitical views or your motivation for gathering in large numbers.

the only major study of transmission in BLM protests were in boston and showed the transmission rates were below what will likely be the national average

“We’re obviously pleased to see that the percentage of positive tests was quite low, considering the frequency and the size of those protests and demonstrations, but we also pointed out that the vast majority of the folks who participated in those demonstrations were wearing masks or face coverings of one kind or another,” the Republican governor said Tuesday during a news briefing at the former Boston State Hospital site.

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/06/after-black-lives-matter-protests-in-massachusetts-25-who-got-free-covid-19-testing-were-positive-for-coronavirus-governor-says.html

this is due to several factors but like due to mask use and them being outside

[Devil Doc]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

what other factors would you like them to mention?

Density and economic factors are mentioned all the time. This is why it happened primarily first in large cities like LA and NYC, and primarily effected lower income people. This is why when they were forced back to work the people in lower socioeconomic brackets were disproportionately effected. This has been a drum they've banged the entire time. 

What are you watching that you're not seeing them criticize state and local government? Like I don't give a poo about ohio for example but I can tell you exactly what Mike Dewine was doing and how badly he changed course and how poor the effects have been. 

How can you honestly look at what's going on and decide "well this is a states rights issue?" If the states can't close their borders it is by definition a federal issue. It doesn't matter what cooper does in NC when every asshole from charlotte drives down to charleston to go to applebees and get a covid cocktail. you are completely delusional. 

and encouraging people to wear masks and social distance isn't working. and the government at the federal level are clearly not doing anything. if you feel bad being shamed for not wearing a mask, or if some karen has her fee fees hurt, tough poo. this is a pandemic. your idiocy directly effects me and my family. I don't give a hot gay fug if you feel persecuted for acting like a dumbass. you are one. 

the job of the news isn't to make you feel good. if you turn on the tv and feel like an asshole for what you're not doing, you probably are one. 

No, it is not a Federal Issue. It has been left up to the states. You are acting like the Government can just overstep, they can't. What can the Government do? Martial Law? That is about it. If there is a law created, it will take months to be enacted and voted on, just like States. Who cares if encouraging wearing a mask or social distancing isn't working, you think forcing laws or shamming people is going to do any better? You think the news telling people to fear the Virus is doing them any good? Cooper made things worse by doing a mask mandate.. instead of going through the proper channels and creating a law. All the Government can do, which they are, is provide support for testing and supplies. All the Government can do is run ads on TV about social distancing and mask wearing.. which they are. I think you overestimate the Federal Government capabilities, and what there role is. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

the only major study of transmission in BLM protests were in boston and showed the transmission rates were below what will likely be the national average

 

 

https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/06/after-black-lives-matter-protests-in-massachusetts-25-who-got-free-covid-19-testing-were-positive-for-coronavirus-governor-says.html

this is due to several factors but like due to mask use and them being outside

Outdoors transmission has been shown to be pretty low. It was just very ironic to see that situation unfold just days apart. The right has by far played the bigger role in politicization, but that was a clear case of politicization from the left. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

No, it is not a Federal Issue. It has been left up to the states. You are acting like the Government can just overstep, they can't. What can the Government do? Martial Law? That is about it. If there is a law created, it will take months to be enacted and voted on, just like States. Who cares if encouraging wearing a mask or social distancing isn't working, you think forcing laws or shamming people is going to do any better? You think the news telling people to fear the Virus is doing them any good? Cooper made things worse by doing a mask mandate.. instead of going through the proper channels and creating a law. All the Government can do, which they are, is provide support for testing and supplies. All the Government can do is run ads on TV about social distancing and mask wearing.. which they are. I think you overestimate the Federal Government capabilities, and what there role is. 

Based on my local observations, the mask mandate definitely didn't make things worse. Prior to the mandate, locally mask wearing percentage was very low. Definitely well under 50%. The majority of people definitely weren't wearing masks. After the mandate it has been the opposite. Sure, it made the idiots scream louder but it has resulted in a net positive benefit.

[Devil Doc]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I definitely agree with the stance that pandemic deniers are absolutely the biggest culprit in our current situation. Goal post movers who choose whether or not certain behaviors are acceptable based on sociopolitical factors are a (very) distant second.

I agree with this too.. but Pandemic Deniers are not just MAGA's Anit-Maskers are just not MAGA's. This is another thing the news is doing, it is trying to implant the behaviors and ideas of people into categories. I know plenty of people who hate Trump, and are Democrats.. who hate wearing the mask, and/or do not wear the mask.. just as much as I do Republicans. 

 

[KSpan]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Outdoors transmission has been shown to be pretty low. It was just very ironic to see that situation unfold just days apart. The right has by far played the bigger role in politicization, but that was a clear case of politicization from the left. 

One is protest of injustice, the other about folks that feel like partying. What are protestors going to do? Zoom call their representatives? It's tough for me to stay objective on this topic because the two situations, civil protest (of any sort) and discretionary gathering, are not equal in any way, shape, or form.

Edited July 20, 2020 by KSpan

[Wes21]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

the only major study of transmission in BLM protests were in boston and showed the transmission rates were below what will likely be the national average

 

You lose credibility when you spread poo like this.

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, it blew my mind when in the very same week packed Ozark pool parties were widely condemned as reckless behavior while packed protests were celebrated by the very same people. WTF? The virus doesn't care about your sociopolitical views or your motivation for gathering in large numbers.

Its absolutely mind boggling.  I expected the "well, it was worth it!" argument.  I never imagined that people would just pretend it was fine.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Devil Doc said:

I agree with this too.. but Pandemic Deniers are not just MAGA's Anit-Maskers are just not MAGA's. This is another thing the news is doing, it is trying to implant the behaviors and ideas of people into categories. I know plenty of people who hate Trump, and are Democrats.. who hate wearing the mask, and/or do not wear the mask.. just as much as I do Republicans. 

 

I can't say the same. It has been a VERY politically motivated decision in my observation.  I don't think anyone is cheering mask wearing. Yeah, it sucks. But honestly, it's a relatively minor inconvenience. Certainly less inconveniencing than a widespread pandemic.

[Devil Doc]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Outdoors transmission has been shown to be pretty low. It was just very ironic to see that situation unfold just days apart. The right has by far played the bigger role in politicization, but that was a clear case of politicization from the left. 

Was the Pool party in the Ozarks, not outside either? That is the other thing that creates confusion. You want to shut down beaches, and outdoor activities... but yet protest, or other cause gatherings are ok? Certain things are shut down, but similar things are not? 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, KSpan said:

One is protest of injustice, the other some folks that feel like partying. What are protestors going to do? Zoom call their representatives? It's tough for me to stay objective on this topic because the two situations are not equal in any way, shape, or form.

They're equal in that they're gathering of large numbers of people when medical professionals are saying that is the #1 thing we need to be avoiding. I'm completely removing the sociopolitical motivations from the equations because the virus does too. Do you really think the pool party goers aren't going to look at the media praising the protests and say "Well, if they can gather together so can we!" Nothing happens in a vacuum. I understand the motivation of the protesters but it still doesn't make gathering in huge crowds during a pandemic a good idea.

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

No, it is not a Federal Issue. It has been left up to the states. You are acting like the Government can just overstep, they can't. What can the Government do? Martial Law? That is about it. If there is a law created, it will take months to be enacted and voted on, just like States. Who cares if encouraging wearing a mask or social distancing isn't working, you think forcing laws or shamming people is going to do any better? You think the news telling people to fear the Virus is doing them any good? Cooper made things worse by doing a mask mandate.. instead of going through the proper channels and creating a law. All the Government can do, which they are, is provide support for testing and supplies. All the Government can do is run ads on TV about social distancing and mask wearing.. which they are. I think you overestimate the Federal Government capabilities, and what there role is. 

"Federalism is a compromise meant to eliminate the disadvantages of both systems. In a federal system, power is shared by the national and state governments. The Constitution designates certain powers to be the domain of a central government, and others are specifically reserved to the state governments."-Federalism

[electro's horse]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Outdoors transmission has been shown to be pretty low. It was just very ironic to see that situation unfold just days apart. The right has by far played the bigger role in politicization, but that was a clear case of politicization from the left. 

"dont protest being murdered, you might get sick!"

uv light probably nukes the virus. unfortunately it's so hot that everyone is just hanging out inside in AC, which is virus turbo spread time. it's why it's destroying arizona, texas, and the sun belt right now. 

[electro's horse]

Just now, 45catfan said:

"Federalism is a compromise meant to eliminate the disadvantages of both systems. In a federal system, power is shared by the national and state governments. The Constitution designates certain powers to be the domain of a central government, and others are specifically reserved to the state governments."-Federalism

Are you willing to entertain the possibility that ideas on political organization from before the germ theory of disease probably aren't ideal for the current situation?

[GOAT]

22 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

MAGAts are the main culprit that’s for sure 

in my state, over 55% of cases are latinos. this is due to them living in multi-family dwellings, (over capacity in most cases) - and not being able to afford said housing which means they're out working. Even if they get sick.

the MAGA folks out here that get to work remotely and make complaints online about having to wear a mask when they pick up home remodeling supplies don't really seem to be as big of an issue...

Edited July 20, 2020 by GOAT