Corona Virus

[Paa Langfart]

A lot of good information on this site

 

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/dont-panic-the-comprehensive-ars-technica-guide-to-the-coronavirus/#h1

[stirs]

Norway as a percentage of population, is very high with positive tests. (3rd highest in the world)

Their death rate is very low, hope it stays that way

Edited March 15, 2020 by stirs

[Shufdog]

 

[Danish Panther]

Citizen from Denmark here giving my advice to my fellow Panthers friends abroad. 

You guys need to understand this and understand it now - STAY AT HOME NOW! Quarantine yourself if you can - very soon you will be told so anyways!

I will paste a link later in this Thread why (If you hate long posts, i urge you to at least scroll down and click the link provided - it hopefully will make you understand that YOU are part of the solution here. It really is the best graphical illustration I have seen of the problem/solution)

All european countries are closing down while I write this! Here in Denmark, everything has been shot down more or less. Borders and airports are closed for people not danish citizens, and everyone one has been told to stay inside in your home unless getting food for your family. And even then, keeping a distance of at least 2 meters to everyone else. This means all smaller shops, bars etc in effect is closing down and dying right now. This is going to financially ruin an unbelievable amount of people in Europe. ..All personel in private companies have also been sent home/working from home except those working in production. All schools, institutions etc. has been closed.

So, why these drastic measures??

THE CORONA PROBLEM:

This is also really not very complicated to understand when you know a few vital numbers. In Denmark we only have 872 respirators IN TOTAL in our danish health care system. YES - ONLY 872!!! Keep in mind we are a small country with approx. 5 Million citizens... The health care system is totally not geared for a virus like corona which mainly attacks the lungs and hence people with respiratory problems will need help from these respirators to survive. Add to that, a lot of the 872 respirators is already in use for critical operations as usual (car accidents, cancer, etc patients) - so the real number of respirators free to help corona virus patients is even far less. Add to this that each respirator needs at least 4 SPECIALIZED nurses to operate the respirator. Do we have - let's say 1500 - extra SPECIALIZED nurses ready waiting for this! No of course not! 

So now, you hopefully better understand that this is NOT because Corona is more deadly than other viruses or flues, because it is not. No, it is because of it's nature attacking the lungs - and countries do not have the respirators and personel ready helping a big amount of people AT THE SAME TIME with breathing.

THE SOLUTION TO AVOID CORONA HELL:

A few here already mentioned it, but it cannot be said enough. The key is to "flatten the curve" to avoid corona hell as seen in China and Italy (Spain will soon be even worse condition). You can do this by social distancing and quarantine yourself/your family. It really is that simple!!!!

But human nature - and money - makes it very difficult  for us to actually live like this, even for a relative short period,  unless we have seen - and is convinced - it is working. We still see people here in Denmark not staying at home, because they don't understand they are part of the solution. Due to this, I predict that no later than tomorrow our prime minister will inform that leaving the house will result in huge penalties or arresting people (as introduced in Spain, Italy and China).

Here is the link to the Washington post I promised earlier - it shows 4 different scenaries depending of our social behaviour. Scenario 4 is what we all want to achieve. It requires your help.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR03f3Cr3t2AO40sC6YM5KcL2RY-GICJWMuowy6-HfWwdvImIFHr2qEbyfM&itid=hp_hp-banner-low_virus-simulator520pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

 

I know that half of you hate everything about Trump, but when he is going to ask you to stay at home (he WILL be forced to do this within the next week or so) I really hope you will put your political belief aside, and do what is right for your great country. I hope all you americans is learning from us here - IN TIME - then you will be just fine...Good bless!

 

PS: I see a lot of you talking about death rate. You CANNOT compare death rate in Denmark with the death rate for China or Italy. Here in Denmark we ONLY do the corona test of the persons being hospitalized and VERY ill. So if you calculate the death rate as a percentage of positive tests divided på casualties, it will be higher in Denmark than in the countries where they test people positive with mildly symptoms and not hospitalized. Again, this is due to the fact that we DO NOT have a lot of personel available to do the testing...

 

 

 

 

[stirs]

A question from left field here, just thinking out loud.

Knowing that the virus is pretty minimally troubling to people in their 30's, would it be a good idea, or would it have been a good idea, for the military to purposefully infect those with very good health, so that when they are over it, they would no longer be susceptible and be able to fill in for nursing and police forces, etc.

My wife says I am crazy, she probably right

[The Lobo]

Thanks @Danish Panther but what about power plants, water treatment facilities, or even petroleum refineries, are they shutting down over there? 

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, we should just go ahead and suck it up and do a full mandatory quarantine like Italy has done. Critical jobs can still work while maintaining social distancing.

But then again, I'm a rip the band-aid off type of guy. I'd rather something hurt bad for a brief period than linger on.

[Happy Panther]

8 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Thanks @Danish Panther but what about power plants, water treatment facilities, or even petroleum refineries, are they shutting down over there? 

Nah.

Here is what is affected.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/kriswager/2020/03/12/shutdown-of-denmark/

Edited March 15, 2020 by Happy Panther

[raz]

19 minutes ago, stirs said:

A question from left field here, just thinking out loud.

Knowing that the virus is pretty minimally troubling to people in their 30's, would it be a good idea, or would it have been a good idea, for the military to purposefully infect those with very good health, so that when they are over it, they would no longer be susceptible and be able to fill in for nursing and police forces, etc.

My wife says I am crazy, she probably right

there are some people who had it for a month, fully recovered - and then tested positive again and had to go back in quarantine, and at least 1 dude even died 5 days after clearing because he got it again.   wtf!

[Danish Panther]

9 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Thanks @Danish Panther but what about power plants, water treatment facilities, or even petroleum refineries, are they shutting down over there? 

No, realize I was kind of misleading here. Companies are still "open" but all personal not absolutely required working onsite is told to work from home (think administration, marketing, phone support and so on) - or simply has been sent home with pay or fired. They run with a minimum of personel required onsite to keep the operation and production up and running. So our vital infrastructure,  shipping indutry, food supply and so on is still up running   :-)

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, raz said:

there are some people who had it for a month, fully recovered - and then tested positive again and had to go back in quarantine, and at least 1 dude even died 5 days after clearing because he got it again.   wtf!

Most of the medical experts think reinfection isn't a major issue. Yeah, there might be a few people who get reinfected. Yeah, there will be some healthy younger people with no known pre-existing health conditions develop severe illness. But focusing on anecdotal uncommon situations only breeds unnecessary panic.

[stirs]

16 minutes ago, raz said:

there are some people who had it for a month, fully recovered - and then tested positive again and had to go back in quarantine, and at least 1 dude even died 5 days after clearing because he got it again.   wtf!

Okay, then a bad idea, haha

[stirs]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Most of the medical experts think reinfection isn't a major issue. Yeah, there might be a few people who get reinfected. Yeah, there will be some healthy younger people with no known pre-existing health conditions develop severe illness. But focusing on anecdotal uncommon situations only breeds unnecessary panic.

My thoughts were to only expose the very healthy in the military on a volunteer and very controlled basis.

In a month, you might have a whole group of people to "serve" their country outside of weaponry

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, stirs said:

Okay, then a bad idea, haha

Oh, it's definitely a terrible idea, but I think the risk of reinfection is near the bottom of the long list of reasons why.