Corona Virus

[Ja Rhule]

16 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's not accurate. South Korea was. They saw SARS and they were ready for it if it happened again.

Both South Korea and America had their first case on January 20th. Fast forward three and a half months and South Korea has a little over 10k cases and has lost a total of 183 people. Meanwhile, we have nearly as many deaths as they have total cases and we have over 330k diagnosed cases despite terrible access to tests. That number is almost certainly MUCH higher.

We failed catastrophically. When we should have been preparing, our President was calling the pandemic a hoax. It's unforgivable.

Just so you know... South Korea COVID cases are on the rise and they are not out of the woods yet.  
 

Also, it’s much easier to control a country that is about 1% of US size.

 

Edited April 6, 2020 by Ja Rhule

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18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's not accurate. South Korea was. They saw SARS and they were ready for it if it happened again.

Both South Korea and America had their first case on January 20th. Fast forward three and a half months and South Korea has a little over 10k cases and has lost a total of 183 people. Meanwhile, we have nearly as many deaths as they have total cases and we have over 330k diagnosed cases despite terrible access to tests. That number is almost certainly MUCH higher.

We failed catastrophically. When we should have been preparing, our President was calling the pandemic a hoax. It's unforgivable.

Just to be accurate, he never called the pandemic a hoax.  Long since debunked.

Is the US only going to be compared to S Korea as far as success or failure?  How about Europe?  Nobody had a chance to prepare but the US?

[Ja Rhule]

4 minutes ago, stirs said:

Just to be accurate, he never called the pandemic a hoax.  Long since debunked.

Is the US only going to be compared to S Korea as far as success or failure?  How about Europe?  Nobody had a chance to prepare but the US?

That’s what people do when they try to prove something.  They grab on to that one thing and try to make a point even thought it makes zero sense.

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1 minute ago, Ja Rhule said:

That’s what people do when they try to prove something.  They grab on to that one thing and try to make a point even thought it makes zero sense.

Meh, its a crazy season.  Everyone wants to score political points.  Trump does it with each press conference.  Wish he would come out and say, "been a bad day", here's the team to answer questions.  The Romper Room fights between him and the press are past boring at this point.

But, it extends to some governors.  Michigan gov is trying to get Biden elected, so she is constantly in the press.

I will give kudos to the gov of CA for being a grownup thus far

[Ja Rhule]

11 minutes ago, stirs said:

Meh, its a crazy season.  Everyone wants to score political points.  Trump does it with each press conference.  Wish he would come out and say, "been a bad day", here's the team to answer questions.  The Romper Room fights between him and the press are past boring at this point.

But, it extends to some governors.  Michigan gov is trying to get Biden elected, so she is constantly in the press.

I will give kudos to the gov of CA for being a grownup thus far

I think US response to something that never happened before has been pretty good.  Grocery stores have food, many people able to work from home and best medical care in the world.  People fail to realize that US is a massive country... huge territory.  If small European countries are struggling how do you expect US to control it?  Plus the main cause of spread are Americans ignoring calls to stay home and not washing their hands.

Edited April 6, 2020 by Ja Rhule

[Ja Rhule]

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3 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

I think US response to something that never happened before has been pretty good.  Grocery stores have food, many people able to work from home and best medical care in the world.  People fail to realize that US is a massive country... huge territory.  If small European countries are struggling how do you expect US to control it?  Plus the main cause of spread are Americans ignoring calls to stay home and not washing their hands.

With approximately 50% of the cases being asymptomatic, then this thing will be impossible to control unless you declare martial law and then all hell would break loose.  There are good and bad things about being a free country with all sorts of rights, a pandemic will show you the bad ones.  Most governors like to control their own states and I think Trump suggesting but not forcing is wise.  States also have responsibilities that come with the freedom to decide.

I am looking for the test soon which tells you if you have the antibodies already.  This will give the country hope, volunteers, and workers while a ton of people are sidelined by the "not knowing".  And I know that they will have to wait until they are clear, but then we can get some things accomplished.  The worst part beyond the deaths, is the inability to have an effect on your community in a positive way.

[LinvilleGorge]

31 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

Just so you know... South Korea COVID cases are on the rise and they are not out of the woods yet.  
 

Also, it’s much easier to control a country that is about 1% of US size.

 

It's on the rise because they tried to return to something resembling normalcy. They'll get it back in check again.

We failed miserably because while the rest of the world was showing us our future and we should've been stockpiling PPE and sourcing testing, we were instead proclaiming the pandemic a hoax. When the rest of the world took test provided by WHO, we said no thanks we'll make out own. Those tests were faulty. We completely missed the window to avoid a widespread outbreak here. 

Keep thinking we did a great job. Nothing about it was great. It was completely and utterly botched every step along the way and now we get to pay the price.

 

[Ja Rhule]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's on the rise because they tried to return to something resembling normalcy. They'll get it back in check again.

We failed miserably because while the rest of the world was showing us our future and we should've been stockpiling PPE and sourcing testing, we were instead proclaiming the pandemic a hoax. When the rest of the world took test provided by WHO, we said no thanks we'll make out own. Those tests were faulty. We completely missed the window to avoid a widespread outbreak here. 

Keep thinking we did a great job. Nothing about it was great. It was completely and utterly botched every step along the way and now we get to pay the price.

 

SARS, WNV, Ebola, Zika, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow disease, measles and so on all happen recently.  Coronavirus has been around since 1960 and it was not identify as COVID19 until 45 days until mass outbreak.  You cannot spend hundreds of billions every year on something that might or might not be a pandemic.  Fact.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's not accurate. South Korea was. They saw SARS and they were ready for it if it happened again.

Both South Korea and America had their first case on January 20th. Fast forward three and a half months and South Korea has a little over 10k cases and has lost a total of 183 people. Meanwhile, we have nearly as many deaths as they have total cases and we have over 330k diagnosed cases despite terrible access to tests. That number is almost certainly MUCH higher.

We failed catastrophically. When we should have been preparing, our President was calling the pandemic a hoax. It's unforgivable.

South Korea is smaller than South Carolina.  And they are one of the most easily isolated countries in the world.  They have one land border no one crosses.  Basically, if you shut down one airport, and a couple of shipping ports, the country is isolated from the rest of the world.  The US has more ports of entry in California than South Korea has in the whole country.  The level of difficulty of implemting restrictions and responding to a pandemic in a country the size of the US is dramatically higher than in South Korea.  

Edited April 6, 2020 by Davidson Deac II

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15 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's on the rise because they tried to return to something resembling normalcy. They'll get it back in check again.

We failed miserably because while the rest of the world was showing us our future and we should've been stockpiling PPE and sourcing testing, we were instead proclaiming the pandemic a hoax. When the rest of the world took test provided by WHO, we said no thanks we'll make out own. Those tests were faulty. We completely missed the window to avoid a widespread outbreak here. 

Keep thinking we did a great job. Nothing about it was great. It was completely and utterly botched every step along the way and now we get to pay the price.

 

You and Harbingers in the same camp.  Just keep talking "hoax".  Not true, but you are a mod, so I will leave it at that

 

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

South Korea is smaller than South Carolina.  And they are one of the most easily isolated countries in the world.  They have one land border no one crosses.  Basically, if you shut down one airport, and a couple of shipping ports, the country is isolated from the rest of the world.  The US has more ports of entry in California than South Korea has in the whole country.  The level of difficulty of implemting restrictions and responding to a pandemic in a country the size of the US is dramatically higher than in South Korea.  

The level of urgency and effort certainly varied greatly.

I see plenty of excuses, very little acknowledgement that we did practically nothing to curb this pandemic until very recently preferring to simply assume that it wouldn't happen here.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, stirs said:

You and Harbingers in the same camp.  Just keep talking "hoax".  Not true, but you are a mod, so I will leave it at that

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

SARS, WNV, Ebola, Zika, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Mad Cow disease, measles and so on all happen recently.  Coronavirus has been around since 1960 and it was not identify as COVID19 until 45 days until mass outbreak.  You cannot spend hundreds of billions every year on something that might or might not be a pandemic.  Fact.

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