Corona Virus

[Paa Langfart]

4 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

But motorcycle death.

Its just a hoax folks.

[45catfan]

3 hours ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

They love that story don't they.

Alright guys, you win.  Only 139,999 people have died from COVID-19.  Throw away those masks.

You win the cookie!  See, only a gullible person would dismiss one of many, many instances where the stats have been skewed.  If this were the only case...sure, dismiss it as an one-off.   It's not...not even close, and increasingly these "errors" are being uncovered.

Riddle me this:  Who is this White House official quoted regarding the pandemic--"...A pure fortuity this wasn't the greatest mass casualty event in American History?"

[45catfan]

Can this administration stop tracking the pandemic like the most recent one?  No, why not?

Edited July 18, 2020 by 45catfan

[Peon Awesome]

6 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Elective surgeries are allowed now.  But sure, 119% of ICU beds are COVID-19 patients.  Granted certain counties may be stretched like Miami-Dade, but state-wide?  Nah, not even close.  Twist a narrative into a pretzel. It's fun!!!

What's your point? No one said every patient has COVID. But in the absence of COVID, cities are almost never pushing their total ICU capacity. Also, I don't know why you mentioned elective surgeries. The number of patients admitted to the ICU after an elective surgery is close to zero. Pretty much only happens when the surgeon makes a serious mistake or there's an unforeseen complication. Has nothing to do with the situation they're in. I also suspect many Miami hospitals will be shutting that down at this point if they haven't already since COVID is taking all of their resources.

Also why minimize the situation in Florida because it's not every hospital in the state? Good for them. I'm sure New York was patting themselves on the back in March when tens of thousands of people were "only" dying in New York City. No one is being unfairly critical here. Florida is one of the world's current epicenters for the virus and there's not a lot of sugar coating you can do with that. And before you start celebrating that not every hospital is pushing capacity, give it some time. That's how viruses work. They spread from one person and place to another. 

[Peon Awesome]

6 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Can this administration stop tracking the pandemic like the most recent one?  No, why not? 

It seems pretty clear you enjoy parrotting the inane talking points of the president, which I guess is why he does it. Yeah let's break from the rest of the world despite having the highest number of cases by far and stop tracking a highly virulent disease which helps identify outbreaks and control spread, as well as gives information on the safety of gradual opening of business and reduces the risk of overwhelming health care systems. And let's pretend because we stopped hypermonitoring H1N1 cases after a few months, a disease that was far less deadly and debilitating, that it's perfectly justifiable to do that for COVID. Just look how almost step by step the world is treating COVID like they did H1N1, huh? Even if you think that it wasn't the best decision to stop meticulously tracking H1N1, it would in no way excuse not closely tracking COVID now. Even Trump is trying to say it was terrible that they stopped tracking it. So he must acknowledge that if the US would stop tracking COVID now, it must be damn near criminal.

Look we get it. It's embarrassing for Trump how bad our numbers look compared to the rest of the world and I'm sure for his contingent of die-hard fans, nothing would be nicer than pretending the numbers don't exist. But sometimes the greater good and the interest of public health should be considered more important than the president's ego, as crazy as that might sound.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

12 hours ago, 45catfan said:

You win the cookie!  See, only a gullible person would dismiss one of many, many instances where the stats have been skewed.  If this were the only case...sure, dismiss it as an one-off.   It's not...not even close, and increasingly these "errors" are being uncovered.

Riddle me this:  Who is this White House official quoted regarding the pandemic--"...A pure fortuity this wasn't the greatest mass casualty event in American History?"

How skewed do you think the stats are exactly.  Gotta be at least half of those deaths are falsely attributed to COVID, right?

140,000 dead.  It doesn't make a damn if 100, 1000, or even 10,000 of those deaths were falsely attributed to COVID because that's still a big fuging number.  It's real, it's killing people, and you can't bullshit your way out of it because the numbers are just too big.  We're past that point.  

Edited July 19, 2020 by The NFL Shield At Midfield

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

5 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

It seems pretty clear you enjoy parrotting the inane talking points of the president, which I guess is why he does it. Yeah let's break from the rest of the world despite having the highest number of cases by far and stop tracking a highly virulent disease which helps identify outbreaks and control spread, as well as gives information on the safety of gradual opening of business and reduces the risk of overwhelming health care systems. And let's pretend because we stopped hypermonitoring H1N1 cases after a few months, a disease that was far less deadly and debilitating, that it's perfectly justifiable to do that for COVID. Just look how almost step by step the world is treating COVID like they did H1N1, huh? Even if you think that it wasn't the best decision to stop meticulously tracking H1N1, it would in no way excuse not closely tracking COVID now. Even Trump is trying to say it was terrible that they stopped tracking it. So he must acknowledge that if the US would stop tracking COVID now, it must be damn near criminal.

Look we get it. It's embarrassing for Trump how bad our numbers look compared to the rest of the world and I'm sure for his contingent of die-hard fans, nothing would be nicer than pretending the numbers don't exist. But sometimes the greater good and the interest of public health should be considered more important than the president's ego, as crazy as that might sound.

Yeah, class dismissed.  Go load up on some more talking points and hit us back.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Yeah, class dismissed.  Go load up on some more talking points and hit us back.

Trump will have to ramble incoherently about nothing and build more snowmen (uh, I mean give another speech) again to allow them to reload.

[45catfan]

6 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

It seems pretty clear you enjoy parrotting the inane talking points of the president, which I guess is why he does it. Yeah let's break from the rest of the world despite having the highest number of cases by far and stop tracking a highly virulent disease which helps identify outbreaks and control spread, as well as gives information on the safety of gradual opening of business and reduces the risk of overwhelming health care systems. And let's pretend because we stopped hypermonitoring H1N1 cases after a few months, a disease that was far less deadly and debilitating, that it's perfectly justifiable to do that for COVID. Just look how almost step by step the world is treating COVID like they did H1N1, huh? Even if you think that it wasn't the best decision to stop meticulously tracking H1N1, it would in no way excuse not closely tracking COVID now. Even Trump is trying to say it was terrible that they stopped tracking it. So he must acknowledge that if the US would stop tracking COVID now, it must be damn near criminal.

Look we get it. It's embarrassing for Trump how bad our numbers look compared to the rest of the world and I'm sure for his contingent of die-hard fans, nothing would be nicer than pretending the numbers don't exist. But sometimes the greater good and the interest of public health should be considered more important than the president's ego, as crazy as that might sound.

As it turned out in hind site.  So what steps were taken to mitigate H1N1 when the virus first broke out and being studied?  Answer, none.  Pure luck it wasn't highly lethal as Biden's former Chief of Staff later admitted in an interview (Ron Klain).  I'm not suggesting we stop tracking COVID-19, but what I am suggesting is the data is being hypermonitored, as you would, say for political ends and manipulated to a degree.

Regarding ICUs--ICU units stay mostly occupied a great deal of the time:

"Over the three years studied, total ICU occupancy ranged from 57.4% to 82.1% ..." from a study released in 2014. Here  So it's not a stretch for an ICU to go from 82% to 100% quickly.

Oh and only botched surgeries thing is a joke.  My father-in-law had back surgery, everything went well and he recovered his first couple of days in ICU before getting his own room.  Long, invasive surgeries that have a fairly lengthy recovery often have stint in ICU directly following the surgery.

The CDC isn't political?   How about 8,000+ donations to the DNC since 2015.  Trump got only THREE donations in 2016 for his campaign from people at the CDC.  A little bit skewed there I would say.  

Please continue.

[45catfan]

48 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

How skewed do you think the stats are exactly.  Gotta be at least half of those deaths are falsely attributed to COVID, right?

140,000 dead.  It doesn't make a damn if 100, 1000, or even 10,000 of those deaths were falsely attributed to COVID because that's still a big fuging number.  It's real, it's killing people, and you can't bullshit your way out of it because the numbers are just too big.  We're past that point.  

Those numbers would be slashed if coronavirus had to be the primary cause of death.  As long as it can be said ...no matter how far of a stretch it being a factor in a persons death, it's going to remain high.  But sure lets continue to pad those numbers when people in hospice care test positive and die.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Jesus Christ, quit trying to run damage control for our dogshit President and his amateur hour administration by blubbering about Obama.  It's not convincing.

[Tbe]

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The CDC isn't political?   How about 8,000+ donations to the DNC since 2015.  Trump got only THREE donations in 2016 for his campaign from people at the CDC.  A little bit skewed there I would say.  

Please continue.

So what? Scientists and people with advanced degrees and high IQs aren’t exactly Trump’s demographic.
 

Just because someone votes a certain way or makes donations doesn’t mean they are idealogs. Their life’s work is to protect the US from deadly pathogens not engage in political brinkmanship. 
 

It’s obvious the anti-cdc and anti science stuff is coming from a political agenda. You’re being manipulated.

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Jesus Christ, quit trying to run damage control for our dogshit President and his amateur hour administration by blubbering about Obama.  It's not convincing.

I said many, many pages ago, minds were made up on this.  There is no convincing to do.

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

So what? Scientists and people with advanced degrees and high IQs aren’t exactly Trump’s demographic.
 

Just because someone votes a certain way or makes donations doesn’t mean they are idealogs. Their life’s work is to protect the US from deadly pathogens not engage in political brinkmanship. 
 

It’s obvious the anti-cdc and anti science stuff is coming from a political agenda. You’re being manipulated.

Folks in government bureaucracies often line the DNCs pockets.  Small and medium businesses lines the RNCs .  This is very, very common knowledge. 

I'm open to read/hear other views, but when more and more 'mistakes' are being uncovered at the foremost authority in the field of infectious disease in the world, something starts to stink.  Not just there, but at the state and local levels too.