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4 hours ago, Tbe said:

The streets of London yesterday after lifting their lockdown.

These guys have the highest Covid death rate in Europe.

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That would be San Marino. Or if you want a bigger country,  Belgium.

But who knows, many have had unexplained excessive deaths so I don't think they have a clue about their real number or a willingness to get it right.

UK is second of the bigger countries but who knows if they have started to count all deaths yet..  

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6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, we discussed it a week ago.

 

Considering how the nation hoarded toilet paper and everclear early on, N95s would have been impossible to find for a while.

However, I will never agree with giving false information to the masses. This is where the distrust started and and we’re still dealing with people who think they won’t make a difference because of it.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, philp said:

Considering how the nation hoarded toilet paper and everclear early on, N95s would have been impossible to find for a while.

However, I will never agree with giving false information to the masses. This is where the distrust started and and we’re still dealing with people who think they won’t make a difference because of it.

 

 

And we're still getting fed false information, and the masses are gobbling it up!

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43 minutes ago, philp said:

Considering how the nation hoarded toilet paper and everclear early on, N95s would have been impossible to find for a while.

However, I will never agree with giving false information to the masses. This is where the distrust started and and we’re still dealing with people who think they won’t make a difference because of it.

 

 

Yep, once you tell the public lies or misleading info, you lose their attention pretty fast.  Then come back after they have lost their jobs and business and yell "wear a mask".  You know, like we do in this thread when discussing numbers, haha

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39 minutes ago, philp said:

Considering how the nation hoarded toilet paper and everclear early on, N95s would have been impossible to find for a while.

However, I will never agree with giving false information to the masses. This is where the distrust started and and we’re still dealing with people who think they won’t make a difference because of it.

Yeah, I strongly suspect the nation's shortage of masks earlier this year drove the government's false narrative that masks wouldn't help the general public to stay safe from COVID.

Later the CDC "revised" their position on mask usage for the general public.  It might only be a coincidence, but that official change in policy coincided with a greater availability of masks.

But what if government health officials had strongly recommended the use of masks from the outset?  What sort of general panic and chaos would it have caused when there weren't enough masks to go around?

Short of government being proactive/better prepared for an eventual pandemic, I'm not sure what else health officials could have done when COVID first appeared in the US. 

Bottom line:  Government Officials were caught flat footed when the pandemic arrived, so in an attempt to prevent widespread public panic they lied and claimed masks were not helpful.  You'd think they'd be better at lying by now, considering how often they do it.

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8 hours ago, stirs said:

Been nice if they public would have heard this to begin with, but.......

 

 

Yeah the way it was handled wasn't good but the issue is far more convoluted than it's being presented.

Let's start with a fact that hasn't changed a lot from the beginning. Masks aren't great in and of themselves for protecting the wearer from the virus. The biggest benefit is protecting others from you particularly since there are people with minimal symptoms that can spread the virus. So now let's go back to late February/early March when there were very few known cases in the US and people are being told that it wasn't necessary to wear masks if you have no symptoms. That's because the chance you had the virus with no symptoms was pretty low for the most part, particularly outside of the couple major hotspots like New York. So the benefit had to be weighed against the risk of people buying out masks and there not being enough in hospitals where there were bona fide COVID cases. I can attest in our hospital, we were rationing masks the first few weeks or so at least, having to wear the same mask for 5 days straight. Doctors were getting COVID because they couldn't be properly protected. The recommendations were presented with that in mind: masks had marginal benefit to the general public but tremendous benefit to health care workers.

All that being said, the situation was still undoubtedly bungled. The explanation for why widespread masks weren't being recommended needed to be clear. Instead it was presented like masks were just generally worthless. They could have made the recommendation from day 1 to use cloth masks, advising people of the need to reserve N95s and surgical masks for the hospital while still curtailing community spread from the very beginning. Second, the recommendation to start wearing masks universally needed to come much sooner. We were being reactive instead of proactive. We shouldn't have waited until we were getting widespread outbreaks throughout the country before we started stressing the importance of mask wearing. At that point, you've let thousands more get needlessly sick or die.

All that being said, the recommendations are coming out almost universally for masks outside of Trump and some alt right fringe sites. Republicans nationwide that aren't completely up Trump's ass (and even some who are) are urging people to wear masks. It's become a bit silly to make an excuse for it now regardless of how much they messed up the handling up front.

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