Corona Virus

[Wes21]

5 minutes ago, Tbe said:

When you look at personality types, a lot of people are rule followers.
 

Rule followers are compelled to strictly adhere to these new social rules and to pressure others or be equally compliant, but they are not risk takers and will not take the lead to initiate change.

Interesting take, particularly since my cousin is definitely not a "rule follower."  He actively challenges "rules" all the time, and when he gets into some territory where he's not being "equally compliant," people pounce.  And again I find that hysterical because he gets more done for the community in a month than the people yelling at him have done in their lifetimes.

[45catfan]

As testing capacity increases in SC, the death rate continues to drop even as positive cases increases.  I hypothesized this while back. In SC, we are now at 3.8% mortality rate even going by scrupulous calculation of confirmed positive tests only.  As we all know by now, there are a lot more people that contracted this virus that were not tested, have not been and will not get tested (past, present and future).  Again, my gut feeling is once all the dust settles down the road and scientists delve into the data producing HONEST and UNBIASED results, the true mortality rate in America will be around 1%.  Still very high compared even a really, really, really bad flu season, but not the death sentence it was made out to be initially.  

[Tbe]

1 hour ago, Wes21 said:

Interesting take, particularly since my cousin is definitely not a "rule follower."  He actively challenges "rules" all the time, and when he gets into some territory where he's not being "equally compliant," people pounce.  And again I find that hysterical because he gets more done for the community in a month than the people yelling at him have done in their lifetimes.

Yeah, he’s getting pounced on by rule followers who won’t ever do anything. They’re followers. Your cousin is a leader. He just needs to understand how those people are wired and ignore them.

[Paintballr]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

As testing capacity increases in SC, the death rate continues to drop even as positive cases increases.  I hypothesized this while back. In SC, we are now at 3.8% mortality rate even going by scrupulous calculation of confirmed positive tests only.  As we all know by now, there are a lot more people that contracted this virus that were not tested, have not been and will not get tested (past, present and future).  Again, my gut feeling is once all the dust settles down the road and scientists delve into the data producing HONEST and UNBIASED results, the true mortality rate in America will be around 1%.  Still very high compared even a really, really, really bad flu season, but not the death sentence it was made out to be initially.  

So in theory if we produced the tests ahead of time, or had a steady stream and plan to get testing to the masses we could have known it sooner.

[Paa Langfart]

this virus is much worse than it appears in the official case and death counts.  no telling how many of the people who contract it and get symptomatic will have permanent disabilities , but I have read somewhere about 20 % of hospital admissions who live will have permanent damage to one or more organs.

 

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Fewer than half the states are following federal recommendations to report probable coronavirus cases and deaths, marking what experts say is an unusual break with public health practices that leads to inconsistent data collection and undercounts of the disease’s impact.

A Washington Post review found that the states not disclosing probable cases and deaths include some of the largest: California, Florida, North Carolina and New York. That is one reason government officials and public health experts say the virus’s true toll is above the U.S. tally as of Sunday of about 1.9 million coronavirus cases and 109,000 deaths — benchmarks that shape policymaking and public opinion on the pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/cdc-wants-states-to-count-probable-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-but-most-arent-doing-it/2020/06/07/4aac9a58-9d0a-11ea-b60c-3be060a4f8e1_story.html

 

 

[Paa Langfart]

New Zealand now is  corona virus free.  That is what happens when you have competent leadership.

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, Paintballr said:

So in theory if we produced the tests ahead of time, or had a steady stream and plan to get testing to the masses we could have known it sooner.

Exactly.  Remember coronavirus wasn't a complete unknown, bio-labs had been studying this family of viruses for a while.   Somebody should have said, look this could become an issue if infected in the human population.  Let's create a test kit, make a initial number of, say 1 million, and have the knowledge to mass produce more if this ever became an issue in the future.

[45catfan]

17 minutes ago, Paa Langfart said:

New Zealand now is  corona virus free.  That is what happens when you have competent leadership.

So a south Pacific island country with the population of 4.8 million (rough 3x that of Hawaii) was able to get their COVID-19 under control before a country of 328 million...the 3rd most populace country in the world?

[stirs]

51 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

So a south Pacific island country with the population of 4.8 million (rough 3x that of Hawaii) was able to get their COVID-19 under control before a country of 328 million...the 3rd most populace country in the world?

He just wants to rail about Trump.  Trump is a moron, but the entire world is dealing with this thing, so the entire world has no leadership.  Only the islands have leadership.  Maybe we can dig giant motes on the northern and southern border.

Edited June 8, 2020 by stirs

[LinvilleGorge]

55 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

So a south Pacific island country with the population of 4.8 million (rough 3x that of Hawaii) was able to get their COVID-19 under control before a country of 328 million...the 3rd most populace country in the world?

Very different situations. Sure, we did a terrible job, but we have WAY more international travel in and out and through than New Zealand. Look at the number of airports and ports of call in NZ vs. the USA. The state of Florida alone probably has 2-3x as many of each. NYC became our hub in large part due to the massive international travel through there. With that said, NY did a masterfully horrific job of handling their outbreak. Southern California probably has nearly as much international traffic as NYC and they didn't experience near the outbreak. Meanwhile, many have tried to make Cuomo some time of national hero for this. He should probably be a national villain. Having a brother who is one of the most prominent news anchors in the country likely really helps shape that narrative.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Very different situations. Sure, we did a terrible job, but we have WAY more international travel in and out and through than New Zealand. Look at the number of airports and ports of call in NZ vs. the USA. The state of Florida alone probably has 2-3x as many of each. NYC became our hub in large part due to the massive international travel through there. With that said, NY did a masterfully horrific job of handling their outbreak. Southern California probably has nearly as much international traffic as NYC and they didn't experience near the outbreak. Meanwhile, many have tried to make Cuomo some time of national hero for this. He should probably be a national villain. 

Are you aware of any class action lawsuits against him for the nursing homes disaster?  I can't for the life of me understand why you would house positive patients with an elderly population, many of whom have multiple health issues?  I know why they said it was done, to free up hospital beds, but creating triage centers (which they did after it was too late) was the obvious choice to begin with.

Edited June 8, 2020 by 45catfan

[Wes21]

11 minutes ago, stirs said:

He just wants to rail about Trump.  Trump is a moron, but the entire world is dealing with this thing, so the entire world has no leadership.  Only the islands have leadership.  Maybe we can dig giant motes on the northern and southern border.

I had some friends on FB that were bragging about New Zealand.  I had to show them where New Zealand was on a map.

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, Wes21 said:

I wish I would have saved a meme I saw the other day about this.  It was basically a cookie cutter, fill in the blanks for corporate virtue signaling where they say words that sound good but they don't actually do anything.  As far as individuals, I have a cousin in Chicago who is an interesting character.  He doesn't "say all of the right things" like people want him to, so you'll see a ton of people get on his case.  But what's interesting is that he's highly involved in the community and even in getting legislation passed.  He a doer, not just a talker.  So its interesting watching him go back and forth with people on facebook, with people taking the virtue high ground on him...but they don't actually DO anything.  Just virtue signal all day.

Yeah that is most of these keyboard warriors. They have all the time in the world to argue on Twatter, Facebook, Instagram or wherever but can't be bothered to protest or call a representative or anything of real value.

But the media will report on stupid fug social media beefs all day long.

[stirs]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Are you aware of any class action lawsuits against him for the nursing homes disaster?  I can't for the life of me I can't understand why you would house positive patients with an elderly population, many of whom have multiple health issues?  I know why they said it was done, to free up hospital beds, but creating triage centers (which they did after it was too late) was the obvious choice to begin with.

Yeah, not too sharp to infect the one group we know will have a tough time with the virus.  And I don't even think they made use of the ship, nor the Javits center.