Corona Virus

[45catfan]

16 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Up to 80% of people with COVID19 are asymptomatic?

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Read more here:  https://time.com/5842669/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission/

Possibly up to 80%.  That's scary part as far as contracting it, but the silver lining is the death rate is no where near 6% if asymptomatic people that have been exposed is that high.  It's literally impossible.  Take 80% of the confirmed deaths/positive cases and that's probably closer to the real number: 1%-2%.  Still unnervingly high, but more in line with the actual contracted number (known & unknown) compared to the number of deaths.  Right now the figures are strictly going of confirmed positive cases only.

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Wes21 said:

I pointed that out a while ago.  Its part of the misinformation they are trying to distribute.  They stretch the age ranges to make things appear different than they really are.  The death count by age group is even more deceiving in the way they present it.

In SC the number of deaths by age group is 99% over the age of 40 and 88% over the age of 60.  

The young have fared very well at 1% of fatalities, and Gen X has only a 12% mortality rate here in SC.  So nearly 9 in 10 deaths are over the age of 60.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

4 hours ago, 4Corners said:

I’m under the age of 40 but wow this is the worst shape I have EVER seen the country in. Good Lord what the hell is going on? People really want four more years of this?

Cooter does!

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Possibly up to 80%.  That's scary part as far as contracting it, but the silver lining is the death rate is no where near 6% if asymptomatic people that have been exposed is that high.  It's literally impossible.  Take 80% of the confirmed deaths/positive cases and that's probably closer to the real number: 1%-2%.  Still unnervingly high, but more in line with the actual contracted number (known & unknown) compared to the number of deaths.  Right now the figures are strictly going of confirmed positive cases only.

Yeah, lots of numbers being tossed out there, but the vast majority of Americans have yet to be tested and likely never will be so we may never know the true extent of the virus.

Even with a resurgence this Fall and Winter, it is quite possible COVID-19 runs its course before a vaccine is widely available.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Where I live still refuses to test anyone  who has not had a 103 fever for 5 days. I take the numbers with a grain of salt because of this.

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Where I live still refuses to test anyone  who has not had a 103 fever for 5 days. I take the numbers with a grain of salt because of this.

It's not a confirmed case unless you have been tested and it comes back positive.  Think of the people that have been turned away because they weren't "ill enough".  There was a co-worker of mine whose daughter had a high fever and a dry cough, but since the daughter was young they turned her away saying they needed to take in older and more ill patients.  This was back in early April.  The daughter felt better after about a week.  Sound familiar?

[Wes21]

10 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

In SC the number of deaths by age group is 99% over the age of 40 and 88% over the age of 60.  

The young have fared very well at 1% of fatalities, and Gen X has only a 12% mortality rate here in SC.  So nearly 9 in 10 deaths are over the age of 60.

That's similar to how data is looking all over the world.  But what they do is stretch the age groups.  Let's say randomly that 20% of the people dying are between 40-50.  They are taking that 40-50 range and going all the way down and making it 25-50 or something ridiculous like that, then listing 20% next to it and trying to sell the narrative that 20% of the people dying "are as young as 25 years old."  Its all in an effort to try to convince people that the data is different than it is.  Its deceitful and disgusting. 

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

That's similar to how data is looking all over the world.  But what they do is stretch the age groups.  Let's say randomly that 20% of the people dying are between 40-50.  They are taking that 40-50 range and going all the way down and making it 25-50 or something ridiculous like that, then listing 20% next to it and trying to sell the narrative that 20% of the people dying "are as young as 25 years old."  Its all in an effort to try to convince people that the data is different than it is.  Its deceitful and disgusting. 

Get the data form the health departments, not news agencies.  That's where I get SC's COVID info.  It's purely data driven with ZERO agenda.

[cookinbrak]

22 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

In SC the number of deaths by age group is 99% over the age of 40 and 88% over the age of 60.  

The young have fared very well at 1% of fatalities, and Gen X has only a 12% mortality rate here in SC.  So nearly 9 in 10 deaths are over the age of 60.

Pretty sure that 100% of people over the age of 60 are also over the age of 40. Numbers are skewed or backwards.

[45catfan]

22 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Yeah, lots of numbers being tossed out there, but the vast majority of Americans have yet to be tested and likely never will be so we may never know the true extent of the virus.

Even with a resurgence this Fall and Winter, it is quite possible COVID-19 runs its course before a vaccine is widely available.

True and why the denominator is smaller than it should be in calculating the death rate.  We know there's a LOT more people out there that have/had it and never got tested.  The 1.7 million confirmed cases is way off as to the number of people who contracted this.  How off?  Nobody knows.

[45catfan]

9 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Pretty sure that 100% of people over the age of 60 are also over the age of 40. Numbers are skewed or backwards.

So 11% between 40 and 60. Under 40 was 1%, therefore 12% under the age of 60.

Edited May 29, 2020 by 45catfan

[kass]

On 5/28/2020 at 8:46 PM, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Sweden has the highest coronavirus death rate in the world – and it’s getting even worse

Incorrect. Sweden had the highest REPORTED death rate per capita for one random selected period of time.

The curve is going down but slow. So the death toll keeps pilling up and Sweden will soon pass France and have the fifth highest death per capita. 

On 5/28/2020 at 8:46 PM, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

 

Sweden adopted a 'herd immunity' plan that uses more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, but a survey by the government found only 7.3 percent of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April.

The 7.3% can only be described as a failure. Sure it represent the situation in early or mid April so todays number is higher, but certainly not as high as expected. Could it be that people are better at social distancing than expected? Either way, nursing homes and elderly care has failed miserably and their systematic failure has shorten the life of the elderly.

[Wes21]

7 minutes ago, kass said:

Incorrect. Sweden had the highest REPORTED death rate per capita for one random selected period of time.

The curve is going down but slow. So the death toll keeps pilling up and Sweden will soon pass France and have the fifth highest death per capita.

I just wish each country was apples to apples, so we could really compare what's going on.  You have a few countries flat out lying about their cases and deaths they are reporting, but just importantly you have countries who are barely testing.  Its like the countries who are testing the most and reporting accurately are being viewed as the bad guys in all of this, when it should be the other way around.

[kass]

On 5/28/2020 at 9:15 PM, 45catfan said:

A survey?  I wonder how accurate a survey can be?  Who did they survey, the health clinics or people themselves?  Either way, that's a horrible measure of people who have the antibodies because they are probably going off of submitted tests results.  As mentioned previously, if people don't know they are sick, why would they take a COVID-19 test?  Typically they don't.

The only way we will ever get a true measure is if the government sends out saliva kit and people return it like they would a census form in the mail and hopefully get 90%+ compliance.  Anything less is sticking your finger in the wind and taking an educated guess, but a guess no less.

Blood samples are collected from laboratories in clinical chemistry and clinical immunology in nine regions:

It might not be a representative sample and the method are supposed to be updated. 1200 test. Next week new results will be published. 

A few weeks ago they published the result of a study, performed something similar to what you suggested. Think 4000 people was tested. Showing 2,5% had antibodies. Not sure exactly what time period it was suppose to represent.

In my region, the death toll is not that high. Our antibodies result was 4.2%. We have about half of the death per capita that Denmark/Copenhagen has. They are just next to.