Corona Virus

[Tbe]

Four weeks later and Georgia is still flat. If this holds, it will be good news.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/georgia-coronavirus/index.html

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Tbe said:

Four weeks later and Georgia is still flat. If this holds, it will be good news.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/georgia-coronavirus/index.html

Georgia has already been caught intentionally manipulating their data, so I'm not sure what to believe out of that state.

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Georgia has already been caught intentionally manipulating their data, so I'm not sure what to believe out of that state.

There has been reports of data manipulation everywhere.  Claims are some places are inflating their data while others under-reporting.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

There has been reports of data manipulation everywhere.  Claims are some places are inflating their data while others under-reporting.

Seems like most of the claims of inflating data have been conspiracy driven. Virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet is onboard with the idea that official cases are far under-reported due to testing numbers. Georgia was straight up changing the dates on their data to show a false downward trend to justify their reopening. Hell, even Trump was saying that Georgia was being reckless.

[Tbe]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Seems like most of the claims of inflating data have been conspiracy driven. Virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet is onboard with the idea that official cases are far under-reported due to testing numbers. Georgia was straight up changing the dates on their data to show a false downward trend to justify their reopening. Hell, even Trump was saying that Georgia was being reckless.

I don’t think what happened in Georgia is as malicious as you are portraying. At least from the reporting I’ve read. 

Either way, they aren’t doing those things now and numbers aren’t spiking and hospitals are reporting falling case numbers. 

It could be a blip, but we’ll see.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Tbe said:

I don’t think what happened in Georgia is as malicious as you are portraying. At least from the reporting I’ve read. 

Either way, they aren’t doing those things now and numbers aren’t spiking and hospitals are reporting falling case numbers. 

It could be a blip, but we’ll see.

They've made repeated "errors" that forced their governor to publicly apologize. I don't see anyway to paint rearranges dates in data sets to fit the curve you want to portray as an honest mistake. They flat out lied and manipulated data. I don't see why we'd trust them to not be doing it again.

[45catfan]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Seems like most of the claims of inflating data have been conspiracy driven. Virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet is onboard with the idea that official cases are far under-reported due to testing numbers. Georgia was straight up changing the dates on their data to show a false downward trend to justify their reopening. Hell, even Trump was saying that Georgia was being reckless.

Georgia did go a bit fast, I won't deny that.  However, folks in the healthcare field have said the actually death count is probably lower because the hospitals get a government subsidy for having treated a COVID patient that ultimately dies.  To that end, some deaths have been coded COVID-19 just to get money that weren't even COVID related at all.   A local hospital is being sued because they coded a heart attack victim COVID-19 to get the money and the family found out about it through a whistle blower at the hospital.

Edited May 26, 2020 by 45catfan

[Wolfcop]

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Seems like most of the claims of inflating data have been conspiracy driven. Virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet is onboard with the idea that official cases are far under-reported due to testing numbers. Georgia was straight up changing the dates on their data to show a false downward trend to justify their reopening. Hell, even Trump was saying that Georgia was being reckless.

Several first hand accounts from medical personnel who were told to classify deaths as COVID if they showed any of the symptoms and whether or not they tested positive. Other accounts of patients who tested positive and died who where classified as COVID deaths whether they died of COVID symptoms or something else. I have personally talked to a few nurses who have made similar claims. Now, there may also be some under reporting in some places as well, but let's admit we probably wouldn't bet our paychecks on either side of it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Oh lord, so now some quacks on YouTube and a handful of anecdotal accounts equates to proof of widespread fraud?

There may also be cases of under-reporting when we had a severe shortage of testing supplies until very recently? Well, ya don't say...

[Tbe]

At the very least, the undercounting would cancel out any over counting.

There were a LOT of cases in NYC where people died at home and were never tested because they didn’t make it to the hospital. Firefighters were reporting thousands of at home deaths. 
 

Some of those cases are now being counted as likely Covid deaths, but no one knows the true number.

“Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged on Tuesday that the vast majority of deaths taking place at home were likely also due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, meaning the death toll could be as much as 70% higher than currently reported figures.”

[Paa Langfart]

Its all a hoax folks.  

[45catfan]

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh lord, so now some quacks on YouTube and a handful of anecdotal accounts equates to proof of widespread fraud?

There may also be cases of under-reporting when we had a severe shortage of testing supplies until very recently? Well, ya don't say...

Widespread fraud?  Not completely sure how widespread it is, but it's happening.  In the early weeks of the pandemic, positive cases were grossly under-reported (as you stated) and if there is fraud, laziness or just assumption of COVID-19 contributing to inflated deaths rates (as put on death certificates) with simple math...what does that do to the death rate?  At this point, unless the number of positive cases skyrocket and the deaths stop, will the death rate shrink in any meaningful way.   

This is a bad pandemic, there's zero doubt about it, but these 4%-6% death rates are not realistic.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Tbe said:

At the very least, the undercounting would cancel out any over counting.

There were a LOT of cases in NYC where people died at home and were never tested because they didn’t make it to the hospital. Firefighters were reporting thousands of at home deaths. 
 

Some of those cases are now being counted as likely Covid deaths, but no one knows the true number.

“Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged on Tuesday that the vast majority of deaths taking place at home were likely also due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, meaning the death toll could be as much as 70% higher than currently reported figures.”

Yeah, virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on that planet who are highly specialized in this regard strongly disagree with this.

[Tbe]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, virtually every virologist and epidemiologist on that planet who are highly specialized in this regard strongly disagree with this.

They all think we are over-counting?

Edited May 26, 2020 by Tbe