Corona Virus

[philit99]

1 minute ago, Ja Rhule said:

COVID19 vaccine won’t  be available for another year.  People need jobs.  Gotta keep the economy going.  

God bless the folks and their families, that are about to die. No doubt we reopen and no doubt that more will die. It is inevitable because families can not sustain being jobless and must begin to get back to normal. The problem is we are effectively signing some people’s death certificate.

[Tbe]

5 minutes ago, philit99 said:

God bless the folks and their families, that are about to die. No doubt we reopen and no doubt that more will die. It is inevitable because families can not sustain being jobless and must begin to get back to normal. The problem is we are effectively signing some people’s death certificate.

Agreed. There is no right answer.

Right or wrong, the needs of the many will override the needs of the few.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Hospitals have improved their procedures for dealing with the virus over the last few months.  Meanwhile production of essential medical supplies has been ginned up.  Presumably our political leaders have learned something over the last several months and are now better prepared to deal with the corona virus going forward. 

Having said that:  

A return to business as usual in the next few months would be a mistake.  It would result in what we've already seen in areas like NYC and Italy where a lack of social distancing resulted in massive outbreaks that overwhelmed the healthcare system.

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There’s a lot that can be done. We won’t be back to where we were before this right away. But we will be able to start staggering work hours, either by days, people working from home certain days a week, staggering shifts, other mitigation efforts, making sure people are socially distant. And then we need really rigorous testing and contact tracing.

Cases do start tapering off eventually, but what we need to be careful of is when a second wave comes along, which it will, keep it more like a ripple rather than a wave. And extinguish those small outbreaks quickly by identifying infected individuals and making sure their contacts isolate and don’t transmit to others. That’s what we need to get everyone back to work. And over time, we can start staging out less and less restrictive containment practices.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/california-coronavirus-herd-immunity-early-spread-stanford-expert-interview

 

 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

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With a disease like this, you probably need somewhere on the order of 60% or more people to have immunity in order to prevent an epidemic. Right now, if we’re at less than 5%; you would need at least ten- to twelve-fold that level. The only way to get there is to vaccinate people or else have horrific transmissions, and we can’t do the latter. So we’re going to have to continue some social distancing efforts.   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/california-coronavirus-herd-immunity-early-spread-stanford-expert-interview

 

[Wes21]

21 minutes ago, philit99 said:

God bless the folks and their families, that are about to die. No doubt we reopen and no doubt that more will die. It is inevitable because families can not sustain being jobless and must begin to get back to normal. The problem is we are effectively signing some people’s death certificate.

We could come up with something that is 100% effective against COVID 19 tomorrow and when we put people back out there, some will die.  That's life.

1 hour ago, BIGH2001 said:

I can pull things out of my ass all day.  If this were a board game that’s a great idea.  Do “scientists” ever operate in the real world where people have bills and mortgage payments?  I’d rather just take my chances with the virus.

"Beware a man's opinion that costs him nothing."  Scientists can tell us what something is and what it does.  When it comes to what we should do about it, that's a different story.

3 hours ago, Tbe said:

There has to be a way to prevent a spike while allowing low risk people to venture out. Require face masks, keep 6ft from others when possible, work from home when possible, etc.

These things completely depend on where you live, but doable in many places.

I don’t know where you live, but I heard many places in Texas and other mid west states are averaging 50% icu capacity right now. Charlotte typically runs at 100% capacity from what I understand, so there is alway an issue here.

Anyway, the bottom line is their is no way to guarantee safety. We need to understand and be ok with some controlled risk. The fallout from these job losses are going to get worse and could in the end be much worse than if we did nothing.

 

Where I'm at we definitely are not at capacity, but they are preparing for it all the same.  Right now New York appears to be an outlier in the US.  We'll see.

[BIGH2001]

1 hour ago, philit99 said:

God bless the folks and their families, that are about to die. No doubt we reopen and no doubt that more will die. It is inevitable because families can not sustain being jobless and must begin to get back to normal. The problem is we are effectively signing some people’s death certificate.

More are going to die if we reopen or not.  It happens every day.  I know that we are paying special attention to this virus but do we worry about other causes of death in the same way?  I mean we have been making this calculation for years.  We let people drive cars even though there is a risk of being involved in a crash.  We let people buy guns even though some of them could turn out to be school shooters.  Why would we intentionally crash our country's economy over this? Not to mention that the doomsday scenarios haven't exactly played out to date. There are about 100 people who have died from this in North Carolina. That's .00001% of the population.  

[Ja Rhule]

US and Trump will halt funding of WHO.  Trump said they failed in their basic duties.  Right before the outbreak, WHO leaders said there is nothing to worry about.

[BIGH2001]

4 hours ago, Tbe said:

There has to be a way to prevent a spike while allowing low risk people to venture out. Require face masks, keep 6ft from others when possible, work from home when possible, etc.

These things completely depend on where you live, but doable in many places.

I don’t know where you live, but I heard many places in Texas and other mid west states are averaging 50% icu capacity right now. Charlotte typically runs at 100% capacity from what I understand, so there is alway an issue here.

Anyway, the bottom line is their is no way to guarantee safety. We need to understand and be ok with some controlled risk. The fallout from these job losses are going to get worse and could in the end be much worse than if we did nothing.

 

We were promised overwhelmed hospitals a month ago, told we were two weeks behind Italy and we were fuged, there was nothing we could do. 

April 3rd: Ohio prepares for coming surge https://www.wfmj.com/story/41962824/governor-dewine-says-state-is-preparing-for-surge-that-is-coming

April 9th: Ohio has flattened the curve! No surge! https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/you-have-squashed-this-ohio-has-flattened-the-curve-but-were-not-out-of-the-woods-yet

March 27th: New York Needs 40,000 ventilators https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/cuomo-refutes-trump-insists-ny-needs-up-to-40000-ventilators-i-operate-on-facts.html

April 6th: Nevermind, we are good. https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/cuomo-ventilators-new-york-coronavirus/

March 19th: 25 Million Californians infected in the next 8 weeks! https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php

April 6th: California sends 500 ventilators back because they don't need them https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/06/california-sends-500-ventilators-back-to-national-stockpile-1272393

April 14th: California looks to release restrictions, has 22,000 confirmed infections https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/california-gov-gavin-newsom-unveils-guide-to-lifting-coronavirus-restrictions.html

 

I could go on and on but I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing.  Social distancing hasn't been going THAT well. 

 

[CBDellinger]

6 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

We were promised overwhelmed hospitals a month ago, told we were two weeks behind Italy and we were fuged, there was nothing we could do. 

April 3rd: Ohio prepares for coming surge https://www.wfmj.com/story/41962824/governor-dewine-says-state-is-preparing-for-surge-that-is-coming

April 9th: Ohio has flattened the curve! No surge! https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/you-have-squashed-this-ohio-has-flattened-the-curve-but-were-not-out-of-the-woods-yet

March 27th: New York Needs 40,000 ventilators https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/cuomo-refutes-trump-insists-ny-needs-up-to-40000-ventilators-i-operate-on-facts.html

April 6th: Nevermind, we are good. https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/cuomo-ventilators-new-york-coronavirus/

March 19th: 25 Million Californians infected in the next 8 weeks! https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php

April 6th: California sends 500 ventilators back because they don't need them https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/06/california-sends-500-ventilators-back-to-national-stockpile-1272393

April 14th: California looks to release restrictions, has 22,000 confirmed infections https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/california-gov-gavin-newsom-unveils-guide-to-lifting-coronavirus-restrictions.html

 

I could go on and on but I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing.  Social distancing hasn't been going THAT well. 

 

Lol... It’s just the flu!!  AMIRITE?!!  
 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

We were promised overwhelmed hospitals a month ago, told we were two weeks behind Italy and we were fuged, there was nothing we could do. 

April 3rd: Ohio prepares for coming surge https://www.wfmj.com/story/41962824/governor-dewine-says-state-is-preparing-for-surge-that-is-coming

April 9th: Ohio has flattened the curve! No surge! https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/you-have-squashed-this-ohio-has-flattened-the-curve-but-were-not-out-of-the-woods-yet

March 27th: New York Needs 40,000 ventilators https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/03/cuomo-refutes-trump-insists-ny-needs-up-to-40000-ventilators-i-operate-on-facts.html

April 6th: Nevermind, we are good. https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/06/cuomo-ventilators-new-york-coronavirus/

March 19th: 25 Million Californians infected in the next 8 weeks! https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php

April 6th: California sends 500 ventilators back because they don't need them https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/04/06/california-sends-500-ventilators-back-to-national-stockpile-1272393

April 14th: California looks to release restrictions, has 22,000 confirmed infections https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/california-gov-gavin-newsom-unveils-guide-to-lifting-coronavirus-restrictions.html

 

I could go on and on but I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing.  Social distancing hasn't been going THAT well. 

 

Wait, so the growth curve has been greatly reduced... yet social distancing hasn't been going that well. Interesting.

[Ja Rhule]

US military was almost not used in US outbreak so far... means US hospitals are handling it well.

[Rags]

Or, consider this, the social distancing measures we HAVE taken has helped, alongside having more knowledge about how to treat Covid.

 

[BIGH2001]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wait, so the growth curve has been greatly reduced... yet social distancing hasn't been going that well. Interesting.

Yeah those contradictions going on all over the place are tough to reconcile for me.  We are in a depression now either way.  Might as well keep soldiering on down that track.

[BIGH2001]

1 minute ago, Rags said:

Or, consider this, the social distancing measures we HAVE taken has helped, alongside having more knowledge about how to treat Covid.

 

Helped what? Do we have immunity? A vaccine?