Corona Virus

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

did they also report that 96% of deaths are people 60 and up?

I honestly dont know.

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51

 

This is the initial study of roughly 72k patients. 81% of the patients were over 60. 93.7% were over 49.

One note of caution, the US population does have a lot more health risk factors than the Chinese population likely does. So our numbers could very well be higher. 

[kungfoodude]

30 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

We had months to prepare medical equipment, staff, stockpiles of goods and everyone to the reality of this. Nobody did it. And hell let’s say it didn’t happen, the market might have plinked down a thousand or so but we would have had a serious goods supply if it raged back in the fall. I mean FFS China built a 1,500 person hospital in 10 days. 

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.

[NAS]

One thing to keep in mind is that this novel virus is unpredictable, we don't know if and how it may mutate again which could impact who is at risk and the ability to build a vaccine and general immunity 

[kungfoodude]

48 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m not sure how they stop it because they banned it after SARS but there was black market stuff still going on. 
 

They obviously need to do more but this isn’t just a China thing. The world needs to come together and beat this. And they need to come together afterwards with a pandemic response plans whenever this happens again. Because it will. And it’s possible for it to be worse. And it won’t necessarily be in China.

They can't stop it because the Chinese population really does rely on some of those sources of food. The same is true in Africa or South America. Regulating it would go a long way. We've all seen the pictures of those markets. Can you imagine if that happened in the US? People processing live animals and raw meat without any obvious sanitary measures? They'd be shut down in a heartbeat. 

[NAS]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.

If you're going to get into  that, then the only person to blame is Trump.  Obama administration left him with the infrastrucutre and plans to deal with pandemic based on the H1N1 and Ebola experience.    Trump dismantled it in 2018 and reallocated funding.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, NAS said:

If you're going to get into  that, then the only person to blame is Trump.  Obama administration left him with the infrastrucutre and plans to deal with pandemic based on the H1N1 and Ebola experience.    Trump dismantled it in 2018 and reallocated funding.

Yeah, I am sorry and I hate the guy too but this lack of preparation goes across multiple administrations. We have never, EVER been adequately prepared for something like this. That is one truly bi-partisan issue is completely and totally ignoring any sort of preparation for a pandemic. We've seen bad flu seasons(which this will likely mirror) that have overwhelmed our hospitals. H1N1 severely stressed our healthcare system. But people just didn't freak out the same way they are about this. The lack of forethought has always existed. 

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

RumGone clearly stated he’s following cases of completely healthy people in this bracket. So what’s your point again? I don’t understand what you feel like your trying to accomplish. We know perfectly healthy people can end up intubated or on HL machines from this. 

He stated two people. Two. If we see a dramatic spike in 20-30 age range being ICU admitted or dying, then I would agree with you. But that is not what the data is indicating. I am not arguing that it CAN'T happen, I am arguing that the risk factors are much, much, much lower for the younger age ranges and especially if you are healthy. Literally every single piece of data so far indicates that is true. And no one should interpret that as meaning there is no risk at all, it just means there is LESS risk. 

Edited March 19, 2020 by kungfoodude

[NAS]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am sorry and I hate the guy too but this lack of preparation goes across multiple administrations. We have never, EVER been adequately prepared for something like this. That is one truly bi-partisan issue is completely and totally ignoring any sort of preparation for a pandemic. We've seen bad flu seasons(which this will likely mirror) that have overwhelmed our hospitals. H1N1 severely stressed our healthcare system. But people just didn't freak out the same way they are about this. The lack of forethought has always existed. 

Maybe  not to the extent of this crisis but we could have responded a lot faster than the idiot Trump who called it a Hoax for 6 weeks.

[Car123]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, my guess is that you missed a specific sentence. 

What sentence?

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, NAS said:

Maybe  not to the extent of this crisis but we could have responded a lot faster than the idiot Trump who called it a Hoax for 6 weeks.

He deserves to be skewered for his lack of being able to grasp what is going on but that really shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. He literally lives in his own world inside his head.

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

What sentence?

"But the average masks you can buy from a local drugstore aren’t enough to filter out viruses."

[Harbingers]

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.

Obama had mechanisms in place. Trump removed those mechanisms.
 

We had months since we found out about a pandemic sweeping China we did nothing. There isn’t anything else to it.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Obama had mechanisms in place. Trump removed those mechanisms.
 

We had months since we found out about a pandemic sweeping China we did nothing. There isn’t anything else to it.

Let's not get off into the weeds on the political spectrum. I am not going to agree with you on this, the facts don't support it and there is plenty of blame to go around. That's something that is more helpful to scream and shout about AFTER we are out of the woods on this virus and it's impacts. 

Just be sure to remember this when you go to the polls and pay attention to your candidates healthcare views. As I stated earlier, people are going to forget this way too easily and not hold our leaders accountable for being prepared for the next pandemic(which there will be). If you are passionate enough about the subject, then blow up your local congressperson's phone and email about more funding for the CDC and having a comprehensive plan to combat this the next time. That means serious and cohesive planning, that means stockpiling supplies(respirators, hospital beds, ventilation machines, etc), and it means doing the necessary work BEFORE to combat them(working on a general coronavirus vaccine, researching other known coronaviruses that could make the jump to humans, etc, etc). 

[Harbingers]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Let's not get off into the weeds on the political spectrum. I am not going to agree with you on this, the facts don't support it and there is plenty of blame to go around. That's something that is more helpful to scream and shout about AFTER we are out of the woods on this virus and it's impacts. 

Just be sure to remember this when you go to the polls and pay attention to your candidates healthcare views. As I stated earlier, people are going to forget this way too easily and not hold our leaders accountable for being prepared for the next pandemic(which there will be). If you are passionate enough about the subject, then blow up your local congressperson's phone and email about more funding for the CDC and having a comprehensive plan to combat this the next time. That means serious and cohesive planning, that means stockpiling supplies(respirators, hospital beds, ventilation machines, etc), and it means doing the necessary work BEFORE to combat them(working on a general coronavirus vaccine, researching other known coronaviruses that could make the jump to humans, etc, etc). 

I’m not making it political as you would note from the first post I made on the subject. I wasn’t just implying America in fact but the world outside of SK&Japan.

But what you quoted just now is a fact. If we(as a world) had been preparing since December/January we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. In America, It was the current administration who cut the the CDC budget & staff. Then when faced by this did absolutely nothing to prepare here before it was to late. 

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

I’m not making it political as you would note from the first post I made on the subject. I wasn’t just implying America in fact but the world outside of SK&Japan.

But what you quoted just now is a fact. If we(as a world) had been preparing since December/January we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. In America, It was the current administration who cut the the CDC budget & staff. Then when faced by this did absolutely nothing to prepare here before it was to late. 

Yeah, he made a big mess but we would still be in a mess if he wasn't there. If you don't believe me, go check out the 538 article on ventilators, go ask your local hospital workers if they stockpile supplies for pandemics or do they buy "just in time." Or look at the historic lack of spending on vaccines and vaccine research. It goes a lot deeper than Trump. It is just not something we have prioritized. 

If I had to guess, even with DemoTrump in office, it won't change after this.