Joe Brady is being underhyped

[MechaZain]

12 minutes ago, onmyown said:

I expect Brady to use creativity and hope to god he works with CMC in the slot and he get another RB option to switch up hand-offs. I also expect him to call better plays designed for Cam than Rivera or Shula ever had the capability to do.

My worry is the offensive line. The team hasn’t neglected it, in fact quite the opposite. However the attempts to address it have consistently beeb failures (Kalil, Williams, Paradis etc.) which is even worse than neglecting it because you’re wasting resources.

Scheme and QB don’t really matter when you consistently fug up the offensive line and have absolutely nothing to build on.

The only two qbs during the Cam era besides Cam I have been able to see preform at a high level for more than a fluke season with just as bad if not worse oline are Wilson (a more superior talent) and Luck (whose career is now done thanks to being pounded in the ground). That’s very poor odds.

I disagree with this. A big frustration I've had with this team for years is that we scheme as if our offensive line isn't complete ass. Shula drew up plays that required a lot of time and protection to pull off. Norv was the only one who even tried, and his solution was the laughably uncreative approach to give Christian the ball all game and see how things pan out.

A creative coach will be able to scheme around an unreliable offensive line. We have the greatest hybrid player in the league at running back and (if he can still run) one of the biggest mobile QB threats in the game. Our #1 WR excels at yards after the catch. Our speedy burner receiver has experience running out of the backfield. Hell even Chud, who's no offensive genius, knew that having a guy like Cam lets you get away with a lot in terms of misdirection. This offense is better and I think Brady is smarter.

Misdirection, decoys, screens, short passes, QB runs, etc. There's out of the box ways to cover up bad offensive line play and a great young college mind who has probably beat me online in Madden before is exactly the kind of mind this offense needs right now.

[steven8989]

2 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Dude is pretty unproven as a big league coordinator and Cam hasn't been healthy in 5 years. 

I'm cautiously optimistic but Norv really wasn't a problem. He had a few bad situational calls here and there but nowhere near as terrible as Shula consistently did. The biggest problem was far and away Cam's health. 

Also, that statement about defense not winning championships is just flat out misleading. KC showed marked improvement from the first half of the year to the second half of the year. Second half of the year they were a top defensive unit in the league. Of course it helps to have the best QB in the game under center, but the defense played much better down the stretch than they did at the beginning of the season once spags got his personnel down. 

Yeah the honey badger was a beast towards end of season and playoffs. I wanted him instead of sorry ass tackling Reid. But guess what we wouldn't put any emphasis bon getting a top notch safety.

[TheSpecialJuan]

nah

[Bytes]

54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Historical data isn't necessarily relevant when the NFL is bending over backwards to create a pass happy high scoring league because that's what the average casual fan wants to see. Last year, only one top 10 defense was left standing after the wild card round of the playoffs. Hell, only three of them made the playoffs at all. Every defense in the final four was ranked #14 or worse and the SB featured the #19 and #21 overall defenses.

Fast forward to this year and only half of the top 10 defenses made the playoffs. Only one was left standing after the wild card round. The SB winner was ranked #17.

So we have two consecutive years of only one top 10 defense left standing after the wild card round.

4 of the top 5 defenses made the playoffs in 2019
2 of the top 5 offenses made the playoffs in 2019

KC was a top 10 defense the second half of the 2019 season. 
 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Bytes said:

4 of the top 5 defenses made the playoffs in 2019
2 of the top 5 offenses made the playoffs in 2019

KC was a top 10 defense the second half of the 2019 season. 
 

Extend those numbers to the top 10. I arbitrarily picked 10 because it's a close approximation to the number of playoff teams (12).

[Bytes]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Extend those numbers to the top 10. I arbitrarily picked 10 because it's a close approximation to the number of playoff teams (12).

Yards per game
Offense 5 out of 10
Defense 5 out of 10

Points per game
Offense 6 out of 10

Defense 6 out of 10

Thats why I chose top 5.

[Chosen Newton]

We only got him for one year or two max before he gets hired as a HC by Cincy. Gotta go all in and win the ship soon!!

[Smithers]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Total yards means a lot. There's almost always a very strong correlation between yards allowed and points allowed. 

Depends on your defense.  If you are creating turnovers, your offense usually has a short field.  

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, Smithers said:

Depends on your defense.  If you are creating turnovers, your offense usually has a short field.  

I'm simply talking mathematically. There's a strong statistical correlation between the two.

[Bytes]

11 minutes ago, Chosen Newton said:

We only got him for one year or two max before he gets hired as a HC by Cincy. Gotta go all in and win the ship soon!!

What if the offense sucks, do you think he will be Cincy HC?

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, MechaZain said:

I disagree with this. A big frustration I've had with this team for years is that we scheme as if our offensive line isn't complete ass. Shula drew up plays that required a lot of time and protection to pull off. Norv was the only one who even tried, and his solution was the laughably uncreative approach to give Christian the ball all game and see how things pan out.

A creative coach will be able to scheme around an unreliable offensive line. We have the greatest hybrid player in the league at running back and (if he can still run) one of the biggest mobile QB threats in the game. Our #1 WR excels at yards after the catch. Our speedy burner receiver has experience running out of the backfield. Hell even Chud, who's no offensive genius, knew that having a guy like Cam lets you get away with a lot in terms of misdirection. This offense is better and I think Brady is smarter.

Misdirection, decoys, screens, short passes, QB runs, etc. There's out of the box ways to cover up bad offensive line play and a great young college mind who has probably beat me online in Madden before is exactly the kind of mind this offense needs right now.

I agree to an extent but the problem with this logic is for the past decade, 10 years all 20 teams that made the super bowl had a top 10, often top 5 ranked offensive line. There is only one exception I have found which ironically was the Broncos in 2015.

That is a HUGE stat to ignore...not all those teams schemes around a poor oline. In order to get in the top 5 or even top 10 it’s more than just scheme but I can agree it ways it does matter but if you’re scheming around oline deficiencies it’s usually a missing piece (Remmers in 2015 super bowl) not the whole damn line.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, Bytes said:

What if the offense sucks, do you think he will be Cincy HC?

Browns

[Shocker]

4 hours ago, Wanderlai said:

If he does a great job then he will be a head coach next year...so I doubt he is a solution long term. 

Dunno...if he is happy here his boss has deep pockets to keep him around.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Total yards means a lot. There's almost always a very strong correlation between yards allowed and points allowed. 

There is a100% correlation between points allowed and using that statistic as the measuring stick for defenses. Since the point of the game is to give up as few points as possible.

And actually the correlation between yards allowed and points allowed is directional but not strong enough to conclude that there is validity to the statement that the fewer yards you allow the less points you will give up.  For it to be truly significant it has to be both positive and predictive.