Here's why we won't tank this year

[musicman]

It creates a losing culture and that's one thing a new coach, especially like Rhule won't do. It's not in him. College is different as you have to start with massive recruiting. He's starting with at least some talent. We may not have a very good team in 2020, but we'll have a team that fights and wins some games that we didn't think they could. If they build up enough 2021 draft picks, they can trade up or have the cap space to sign a great QB or if Cam shows he's back and healthy, then there it is. Then they've already started building around him by clearing space and drafting a fresh team around him this year. 

Either way, we are not tanking, which is to lose on purpose. We may end up with 4 to 6 wins next year, but we probably won't win only 1 or 2 or even just 3 because we put the worse guys possible out there. This team will be young and hungry with coaches that are working on a winning culture. Heck, if Cam plays with CMC, I can see 8 wins. Not bad for a rebuilding year. 

[stbugs]

Revolutionary thread.

[mrcompletely11]

Weeeeeeeeeeee!

[Varking]

We damn near tanked last season and we cut or let go of any semblance of talent we had minus like three guys. We aren't going to win 5 games this season. We gave up over 5 yards per carry last year and our #1 CB is leaving, our HoF MLB retired, our TE is gone... we aren't going to be better with 0 good Free Agent signings and a draft that can only give us 1-2 starters. We are losing more than we gain at all times. 

So.... how hard will it be to "tank" by losing 2-3 more games? 

[Waldo]

We have an owner and entire coaching staff with training wheels who's resident expert is Hurney. Anyone outside of the polar tank/don't tank people can see that we are probably facing the same outcome but not with the intention.

If Tepper wanted to start building a dynasty this offseason, he would have jettisoned Hurney and hired an expert or consultant to bridge to the expert he wanted. He didn't and it's reasonable to expect this year to be a huge learning curve. 2010 wasn't a tank year but had the same outcome due to ownership, a lame duck coach and Hurney.

Rhule isn't a lame duck but he has a bunch of leasons in the NFL to learn and needs to take his lumps. Hopefully he is a quick learner.

Tepper's actual football knowledge seems about zero. Hopefully he is willing to learn and not be a Haslam.

If they want to avoid a losing culture then they need to win and that is something we haven't done in 2 years with every indication the arrow is pointed down for now, regardless of intention. Our culture curently is a losing culture under Tepper. Tepper is staring down the barrel of 0-3 so intention is not the issue.

[stbugs]

10 minutes ago, Varking said:

We damn near tanked last season and we cut or let go of any semblance of talent we had minus like three guys. We aren't going to win 5 games this season. We gave up over 5 yards per carry last year and our #1 CB is leaving, our HoF MLB retired, our TE is gone... we aren't going to be better with 0 good Free Agent signings and a draft that can only give us 1-2 starters. We are losing more than we gain at all times. 

So.... how hard will it be to "tank" by losing 2-3 more games? 

It’s the word tank that people can’t get over. I agree with you. If it bothers people, call it a full rebuild. None of us are saying that our players will try to lose, just that we sucked last year and the talent seems to have gotten worse. Trade Cam and you pretty much guarantee we are bottom 3. 2010 didn’t instill a losing culture for us, it just got us pick 1 and pick 9 the next two years and we started. The whole losing culture/Browns is so dumb. The Browns are the Browns because of horrific drafting. I think it was 2011 to 2016 that they had 9 first round picks and 1 of the 9 actually finished his 4 year rookie contract with the Browns and even he never played football after that. It wasn’t some culture that killed them. It was pure unadulterated lack of talent. Our rebuild will fail as well if we keep having drafts like the last two and continue to sign mediocre FAs to big money like Kalil and Poe and Paradis.

[Khyber53]

There's a difference between actively tanking and actively being on the rebuild. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018... that wasn't tanking, that was a complete remodel.

And it paid off. Quickly.

[TheRed]

I'll be glad when we finally get things kicked off and start making moves so these basement dwelling types that only exist to discuss tanking will finally crawl back in their hole like we all know they will when the season begins.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I'll be glad when we finally get things kicked off and start making moves so these basement dwelling types that only exist to discuss tanking will finally crawl back in their hole like we all know they will when the season begins.

You just can't help yourself 

[steven8989]

5 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I'll be glad when we finally get things kicked off and start making moves so these basement dwelling types that only exist to discuss tanking will finally crawl back in their hole like we all know they will when the season begins.

How about u go somewhere instead of making smart ass comments after ever post someone makes. 

[mc52beast]

How do you know if we’re tanking when 90% of the team will be average/ below average but not by design

[SetfreexX]

9 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

There's a difference between actively tanking and actively being on the rebuild. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018... that wasn't tanking, that was a complete remodel.

And it paid off. Quickly.

This narrative has got to stop -- http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/49ers

2014 - 8-8

2015 - 5-11

2016 - 2-14

2017 - 6-10

2018 - 4-12

There was nothing ''quick'' about their turn around, it was 5 completely poo seasons, and a ton of high picks over half a decade that set up the run they had this past season. They traded for Jimmy G in 2017, and if he hadn't gotten hurt in 2018 where they finished 4-12 they are never in position to select Bosa. 

Not to mention they had four different coaches from - 2014 / 2015 / 2016 /2017 (Harbaugh, Tomsula, Kelly, and finally Shanahan), that organization was an absolute laughing stock until Lynch, and Shula showed up, but they also had the draft resources to work with, 2 seasons under .500 to start his tenure there, and three seasons at or below .500 before Lynch and Shanahan arrived. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

There's a difference between actively tanking and actively being on the rebuild. 

A full blown tank is pretty much impossible. It would require the cooperation of people for whom it would have a significant negative effect on their careers.

Now, going into a season with a roster that's not necessarily stocked to "win now"? That's very plausible.

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

There's a difference between actively tanking and actively being on the rebuild. The 49ers were 4-12 in 2018... that wasn't tanking, that was a complete remodel.

And it paid off. Quickly.

The 49ers show what happens when you start a QB like Grier or Clausen or Weinke. You can suck for a year and get a nice piece for the rebuild. Also, while the media painted the 49ers as a quick turnaround, they really weren’t. Look at the lauded DL. Bosa was huge, but Armstead, Buckner and Ward were 1st round picks in 2014-2016. They added Garoppolo and Sherman in 2017 and 2018 to a team with a series of high draft picks. Kittle was 2017. Heck, Staley’s been there since 2007.

Point is that the quick turnaround for SF wasn’t as quick as it seemed. 2018 was bad because Garoppolo missed the entire season. If he didn’t they probably were more like a 9-7 team in 2018.