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Okung, and Turner Tape

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In regards to the run block Turner has in this video....Turner didn't have to do much of anything. The DT was crashing to his inside, giving Turner the leverage. He just used his momentum to carry him on that way.

Same with the Okung block. He just had to not let him rip under him, and any high school lineman can do the same. Be a wall for a second.

Turner's pass blocking on the sack he broke down was indicative of much of Turner's season. Even when he didn't give up a sack, he was giving up pressures with that exact lack of footwork. Turner in the run game is still pretty good, but his pass pro was subpar. That's why we wanted to move him. Most pro linemen can run block well, but pass protection is always telling of footwork, when you're having to prevent being moved rather than trying to move somebody. That's because pro linemen are strong enough to move, not necessarily technique savvy in their footwork to not be moved. That's why it matters.

In Turner's defense, the whole OL looked pretty bad so it's not just picking on him. Hopefully they get that part of the offense corrected.

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18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The one crucial point he failed to mention is the fact that while yes Trai is significantly younger, LT >>>>> RG in terms of positional value.

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There  was talk on sports radio yesterday that this is some of the analytics starting to come into play. Analytics is not just when to go for it on fourth down.  But what positions are statistically more value than others.  And with that you pay LT’s not RG’s who want another longterm big money contract.  
 

They also mentioned that it seems this is much more of a Rhule and coaching staff/ analytics decision than Marty deal.  Marty is fully engaged with the draft right now.  They were speculating that Rhule and Meyer with the help of Sulimani pulled the trigger on this.  Who knows for sure.  But I sure hope Rhule has a heavy hand in these types of things over Marty.  
 

 

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19 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

This. 
 

There  was talk on sports radio yesterday that this is some of the analytics starting to come into play. Analytics is not just when to go for it on fourth down.  But what positions are statistically more value than others.  And with that you pay LT’s not RG’s who want another longterm big money contract.  
 

They also mentioned that it seems this is much more of a Rhule and coaching staff/ analytics decision than Marty deal.  Marty is fully engaged with the draft right now.  They were speculating that Rhule and Meyer with the help of Sulimani pulled the trigger on this.  Who knows for sure.  But I sure hope Rhule has a heavy hand in these types of things over Marty.  
 

 

That makes sense and all but doesnt explain the one year deal he is sitting on

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2 hours ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

RG is probably the least valued position along an oline as well

The fact he couldn't even keep the Center from facing two players last year is all you need to know. He was considered a leader under Rivera and honestly his work ethic didn't really leave much to be impressed with for people to really follow behind. I think we got a good deal in just not having his contract on the books. 

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Just now, Snake said:

The fact he couldn't even keep the Center from facing two players last year is all you need to know. He was considered a leader under Rivera and honestly his work ethic didn't really leave much to be impressed with for people to really follow behind. I think we got a good deal in just not having his contract on the books. 

It doesn't make sense in the modern NFL to have a big contract on an OG, especially for a player that wasn't playing at an elite level last year. 

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5 minutes ago, Snake said:

The fact he couldn't even keep the Center from facing two players last year is all you need to know. He was considered a leader under Rivera and honestly his work ethic didn't really leave much to be impressed with for people to really follow behind. I think we got a good deal in just not having his contract on the books. 

Does his work ethic at the dinner table count? Because he looked like his work ethic with fork in hand was quite strong.

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2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

That makes sense and all but doesnt explain the one year deal he is sitting on

That's called cap relief after this bridge season to either Little, or future prospect. Eat the dead now while we can since Turner still had a year and still has dead money and just a 6M savings if cut next year. 

Okung will open up 13M whether we cut him now or he falls off after next season. I'd I remember the details correctly. 

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