Trading for Okung wasn’t as bad of a decision As many people think.

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, usmcpanthers said:

If he can protect Cam, it will be worth it. Haven't had an LT since gross

We may not still.

The Panthers have an annoying habit lately of signing guys who used to be good and hoping they can be good again. Matt Paradis and Dontari Poe were prime examples.

It hasn't produced especially good results so far but hey, keep trying, right?

[Jared Patterson]

1 minute ago, mcsmoak said:

Biggest position of need IMO is DT.  Lol at taking a LB at 7.

Brown is my second favorite, but his combine wasn't great. He wins with strength not athleticism. This will really limit his pass rush ability at the next level. He likely won't be Fletcher Cox level. Think Akiem Hicks, which would still be nice. Simmons has a chance to be the best LB in the game almost immediately.

[ncfan]

 

[Jared Patterson]

Just now, ncfan said:

 

Like I said earlier he's really bad, I watched every Chargers game last year.

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Ummm have you watched Okung??? He sucks buddy

lol...he isn't playing yet...your approach would say  Cam sucks

[Peon Awesome]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

We didnt need to make this trade if Hurney knew what half of the huddle did last year going into the draft. IOL was loaded. We could have taken McCoy and 2 guards with our 2nd and 3rds. Instead we draft another project player that needs years to develop that Hurney graded higher than anyone else again, and now we make a trade to pick up a guy with an injury history and heart condition. There's a reason Hurney only has 3 winning seasons. He cant build a roster and has no vision beyond tomorrow. 

We would have been less likely to trade our guard for a tackle if we had drafted multiple guards instead of a tackle last year? Can you explain your logic please? You can bash the decision for other legitimate reasons; no need to invent nonsensical ones. Your scenario would have made it much more likely that we WOULD do the trade this year since it would have left a massive hole at tackle and an excess of guards.

[SmokinwithWilly]

 

59 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

We would have been less likely to trade our guard for a tackle if we had drafted multiple guards instead of a tackle last year? Can you explain your logic please? You can bash the decision for other legitimate reasons; no need to invent nonsensical ones. Your scenario would have made it much more likely that we WOULD do the trade this year since it would have left a massive hole at tackle and an excess of guards.

This trade shows that the Little pick was a bad one. You dont trade up to the early 2nd to draft a 3 year project or a tackle to move to guard. 

We had 3 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Elway didn't sign Paradis because of injury concerns. Our big FA acquisition was a bust. A lot of us wanted McCoy (C) in the 2nd and we should have taken him without moving leaving us our extra 3rd. GVR was subpar and drafting 1 guard was definitely needed there. Turner hasn't performed close to that fat contract and needing a second guard/center was foreseeable going into this year if Trai didnt perform well, which he didnt IMO. Grier was a project pick we didnt need.

My logic is we made moves last year that didnt make sense. I criticized them then too. DW and Paradis both coming off leg injuries. 2 most important  starting positions on the line with the biggest question marks. We could have done better.

Using our draft to take a project QB for an OC about to be canned, and a project LT that Hurney put a 1st round grade on that wont likely start until year 3, maybe. Last year's IOL was stacked and we ignored it for 2 guys who weren't likely to play. If Trai doesnt play up to his contract, you already have his replacement and you cut/trade him in what would already be a rebuilding year.

Look at this year and there's the best tackle class in years. Now we have 31yr old LT with an injury history and a heart problem and will likely ignore the tackle position again. 

It just doesnt make sense.

[DamnItJake!]

2 hours ago, heel31ok said:

lol...he isn't playing yet...your approach would say  Cam sucks

Tanking for Fields or Lawrence!! Making moves for all the wrong but right reasons!!

[45catfan]

I've stated my case in one of the other 3 Okung threads why I like this trade.  At the very least, we offloaded Trai's monster deal that he was not living up to.   If Okung works out great, a cherry on top.  But it fills a position of need and gets rid of a bad contract AND allows us to spend at least one more pick on defense in the draft.  Therefore, I like the trade.

[Peon Awesome]

4 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I've stated my case in one of the other 3 Okung threads why I like this trade.  At the very least, we offloaded Trai's monster deal that he was not living up to.   If Okung works out great, a cherry on top.  But it fills a position of need and gets rid of a bad contract AND allows us to spend at least one more pick on defense in the draft.  Therefore, I like the trade.

Agreed. People who are focusing in on what Okung brings to the table are viewing the trade in the wrong light. On a 1 year deal, Okung is nothing more than a stop gap to give Little time to get healthy and develop into a starting left tackle. Sounds like Turner wasn't in the plans and the fact that he is looking for a new contract despite his play dropping off while making $10+ million already, well good riddance. Best case scenario is Little develops into a solid LT by the end of the year, we don't resign Okung (unless he somehow is willing to take backup money) and enter the 2021 season flush with cap space with Turner's deal off the books. And if Little doesn't improve, we can use the Turner cap space to find a replacement or draft one early. And if you're arguing for getting a midround pick for Turner instead, you're not going to find a plug and play left tackle in a 4th round rookie. Making sure we have insurance for Cam's blindside has to be worth a little short term cash.

[Snake]

I actually thought it was a great trade. We get a guy we should have got a few years ago and we get to cut some weight that Turner was taking up. Let's face it the last 3 years he's been a guy who has taken cash and not lived up to his contract. 

[Yaboychris28]

Preparing myself for another rough year 

[Toomers]

   Well, here’s a review of the trade from Walter Football. Take it FWIW.  

    
Panthers acquire OT Russell Okung from Chargers for G Trai Turner  
I don't quite understand what the Panthers are doing. This makes it seem as though they are tanking. Russell Okung is an injury-prone, soon-to-be 32-year-old whose career was nearly derailed by a pulmonary embolism. He's not nearly the same player he used to be. Trai Turner is younger and better. Thus, the goal of this trade is that the Panthers are taking on Okung's contract, which expires after this season. They want to free up cap space for the 2021 offseason, which would make sense if they didn't already announce that they were going to keep Cam Newton. Perhaps that was a lie to maintain leverage in a possible trade, but it doesn't make sense to retain Newton and tank at the same time. 

Conversely, the Chargers definitely won this deal. As mentioned earlier, Turner is younger and better. He'll be a colossal upgrade in the interior, which is something the Chargers sorely needed. The Chargers can now select Justin Herbert or Tua Tagovailoa at No. 6 overall and then obtain a left tackle like Ezra Cleveland or Austin Jackson in Round 2. 

Grade for Panthers - C- 
Grade for Chargers - A 

 

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

   Well, here’s a review of the trade from Walter Football. Take it FWIW.  

    
Panthers acquire OT Russell Okung from Chargers for G Trai Turner  
I don't quite understand what the Panthers are doing. This makes it seem as though they are tanking. Russell Okung is an injury-prone, soon-to-be 32-year-old whose career was nearly derailed by a pulmonary embolism. He's not nearly the same player he used to be. Trai Turner is younger and better. Thus, the goal of this trade is that the Panthers are taking on Okung's contract, which expires after this season. They want to free up cap space for the 2021 offseason, which would make sense if they didn't already announce that they were going to keep Cam Newton. Perhaps that was a lie to maintain leverage in a possible trade, but it doesn't make sense to retain Newton and tank at the same time. 

Conversely, the Chargers definitely won this deal. As mentioned earlier, Turner is younger and better. He'll be a colossal upgrade in the interior, which is something the Chargers sorely needed. The Chargers can now select Justin Herbert or Tua Tagovailoa at No. 6 overall and then obtain a left tackle like Ezra Cleveland or Austin Jackson in Round 2. 

Grade for Panthers - C- 
Grade for Chargers - A 

 

Considering he gave Gettleman an A for trading a third and fourth round pick to the Jets to rent Leonard Williams for a year, only to see their pass rush get worse and ultimately end up 4-12...I’d argue it’s worth very little.