Joe Brady's Offense: Could the scheme ensure better QB play?

[Moo Daeng]

The offenses under Chud, Shula, and Turner were rather different. They might have used a similar base of concepts but just watching them you could see the difference. Chud highly utilized 2 TEs.  Shula and the option stuff and utilizing utilizing multiple running backs. Turner? Well he just gave the ball to CMC. They were pretty significant differences between these different coordinators. Norv being the worst IMO. Too much difference to say our defensive head coach had his offense.

[BrianS]

Huddle sure spends a lot of time talking about an offense that wasn't bad.

Oh, it wasn't GOOD either.  It was simply average.  SB's have been won by teams with an offense not much better than ours last year.  And that offense was without it's starting QB.  I daresay even a half healthy Cam last year we'd have won another 3 or 4 games.  How many games did we have where we had a chance in the last two minutes?  Sure seemed like a lot.

But the bottom line is our upcoming draft needs to be HEAVILY weighted toward fixing a defense that was horrific.  I gotta be honest, if we spend much draft capital at all on our offense it's not a good sign.  Yes, we could probably stand some investment on the O line.  Past that, our best chance for improvement on offense this year is Cam coming back healthy.  If that isn't our answer, expect our offense to back slide this year.

[bababoey]

Brady did a lot of 5 wide at LSU.  It was said he did that because Burrow could read the field better and get rid of the ball quicker.  That's fine, but if he does that a lot here, without a upgrade in the O-line, Cam won't make it thought another season healthy and Allen and Grier might not either.

[Mister]

Do we cut will Grier .

[onmyown]

59 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Huddle sure spends a lot of time talking about an offense that wasn't bad.

Oh, it wasn't GOOD either.  It was simply average.  SB's have been won by teams with an offense not much better than ours last year.  And that offense was without it's starting QB.  I daresay even a half healthy Cam last year we'd have won another 3 or 4 games.  How many games did we have where we had a chance in the last two minutes?  Sure seemed like a lot.

But the bottom line is our upcoming draft needs to be HEAVILY weighted toward fixing a defense that was horrific.  I gotta be honest, if we spend much draft capital at all on our offense it's not a good sign.  Yes, we could probably stand some investment on the O line.  Past that, our best chance for improvement on offense this year is Cam coming back healthy.  If that isn't our answer, expect our offense to back slide this year.

I believe it was Von Miller who said our offense never changed in super bowl 50 and we made absolutely no adjustments and his defense knew what was coming.

It’s not so much the offense, it’s using our players correctly. I hate cliches but it’s a square peg in a round hole. You don’t keep calling long developing plays when your offensive line is behind man handled. You don’t keep running your most dynamic playmaker up the middle when you have Ted Ginn as your #1 outside WR. You don’t keep calling zone defenses when your entire secondary is getting burned by YAC.

You have to adjust and you have to create mismatches when stuff doesn’t work. You have to be creative. This isn’t 1995 or 2000.

I’d be shocked if Brady doesn’t use Cam and CMC completely different.

[hepcat]

15 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

He can't force Cam to stay healthy thats the main factor

I've seen enough of Allen and Grier to last me a lifetime. Scheme wasn't their issue. 

I don't get all the hate for Kyle Allen. He was an undrafted rookie playing his first full season of football. He was at least able to move the offense and had the Panthers competitive for a good chunk of the season. With a better coaching staff and defense, the team might have even made the playoffs. He WILDLY exceeded expectations in my book. He's worth keeping around as a backup.

Will Grier was absolute trash. He couldn't even complete a pass.

[Snake]

It wasn't the scheme. We just need better players. The defense was the main problem over the past two years and Rivera not willing to create competition by starting younger players and development of those same players. Rivera would be a great coach surrounded by great players but that's rarely the case in the NFL. Good drafting and player development is where you win in the NFL. 

[MountaineerChemist10]

15 hours ago, bull123 said:

Well...Norv has been a pro coach forever...and has done pretty well with QB’s

our OL is college level...hard to do anything with it in place

Anytime our OL could block AND our QB was healthy (i.e. healthy Cam in first 8 games of '18 season, Kyle Allen's first 6 games of '19 season), Norv's offense was clicking.

But anytime your OL is garbage & can't block a hamster, you're doomed. No matter who's playing under QB. 

[PanthersGTI]

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I cant make a new topic since I am a new user but I am listening to Peter Kings podcast and he is interviewing Rhule. Rhule specifically says he brought Brady in thinking about Cam and having a QB friendly offense that will keep him upright! Sounds like the marriage of these two has been thought out at least.

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[PanthersGTI]

I cant make a new topic since I am a new user but I am listening to Peter Kings podcast and he is interviewing Rhule. Rhule specifically says he brought Brady in thinking about Cam and having a QB friendly offense that will keep him upright! Sounds like the marriage of these two has been thought out at least.

[davos]

13 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

The offenses under Chud, Shula, and Turner were rather different. They might have used a similar base of concepts but just watching them you could see the difference. Chud highly utilized 2 TEs.  Shula and the option stuff and utilizing utilizing multiple running backs. Turner? Well he just gave the ball to CMC. They were pretty significant differences between these different coordinators. Norv being the worst IMO. Too much difference to say our defensive head coach had his offense.

There's been Cam and Rivera interviews over the years where they explained how the systems were fairly similar.  The personnel was a bit different so the stat sheets did not bring the same output but the route trees, blocking schemes, overall principles and terminology was the same for the most part.  When Norm came in, there were some articles that explained as such. 

I just think what is being brought in will be much more QB friendly.  There's a big difference between the high-completion rate plays that we forced with Norv versus ones that are actually designed spread things out and gain leverage over defensive personnel and get yards. 

[davos]

And I'll contest that Norv's offense wasn't clicking to the degree that we thought when we were 6-2.  The Boys, Skins, and Eagles games weren't that great.  Cam had limited turnovers and the defense was playing well but it wasn't anything that special.   Also don't forget that Giants game where we started hot and then the offense fell really flat  for 2 quarters, they came back to lead 31-30.

Gano then won the game on the 63 yard prayer shot.   

[mc52beast]

2020 version of Panthers offense could look like nothing we’ve ever seen before. It might not look good early in the season but as players get used to it and as we add better players I think it’ll be dynamic.

[davos]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

It wasn't the scheme. We just need better players.

It's definitely a balance of both, not one or the other. 

Do agree though that building a defense will be critical. 

I just see good offensive systems mitigating deficiencies in OL play.  They canalso make things easier for QBs with plays designed to gain leverage and allow for a quick out even if a pocket collapses.