Trai Turner is being shopped around, per ESPN

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Is Glenn Healthy? Maybe we can get him and work Little in. I realize we are not in the market but if this trade is to secure more picks to move up in the draft then..we need to still protect said asset. 

[Chief Keek]

Trai stopped being sucka free once he received that contract unfortunately. In reality there are only about three or four guys on that O-line worth keeping.

[TheSpecialJuan]

we might be able to get a 5th rounder for Trai

[beastson]

No loss here.

[stbugs]

58 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

Thank you for posting this. 

I was trying to figure out how we have so much dead cap in a guy that we trade away. I understand if we cut/release him outright that it hurts our cap over the next 2 years, but couldn't understand how a trade would. 

I think the best we can get for him is a high 4th rounder. If his salary was lower, maybe a 3rd. Who knows..... but with Hurney behind the wheel, I don't trust his negotiation skills, TBH. 

Turner has been mediocre at best since signing his deal and don't think losing him is anything more than a body taking up a lot of cap space. Maybe Daley is that guy....idk. 

No problem. People get scared by dead cap and think that somehow we actually save money by keeping the guy another year. Dead cap comes from bonus money already paid out that hasn’t hit the cap yet due to spreading out bonuses. That’s how restructuring works as well.

Anyway, you never save or reduce dead cap you can just push it out with more years but then you are paying those bigger salaries at the end of the contract so you are hitting the cap way more than just the dead cap. In no way is Short worth $14M+ a year and the way Turner played he’s not worth $10M+.

At 26 with two more years under contract, I could see a 3rd.

[stbugs]

53 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

This is such an OL rich draft it would be great to get a draft pick for him. Of course other teams are like - it's such an OL rich draft why am I giving you a draft pick?

It’s definitely more of a tackle full draft. I don’t think interior OL is close to the last two years. Tackles are way better and deeper. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Ok, this guys not very smart. His numbers are wrong. If we trade him there is a one time hit in 2020. Dude doesn’t know how to read the tables. If we trade or release him in 2021 then that 2021 number applies.

Here it is in plain English:

Play out contract - $30M cap hit over 2020 and 2021 ($20.5M is NEW salary and roster bonus)

Trade or release in 2021 - $18.5M cap hit over 2020 and 2021

Trade or release in 2020 - $9.6M cap hit over 2020

So trade him now and save $3.2M in 2020 and $17.2M in 2021. The reason why the cap savings is more than his above is that he didn’t read the voided years where the restructuring (yep Marty did him too) bonus is $1.8M over 2022 and 2023.

Same with Short, not having him on the roster the next two years saves us $28.5M in NEW money.

Dead cap doesn’t change. That’s from bonuses already paid so that will work it’s way onto our cap whether they are here or not. It’s the new money we save. For Turner, it’s $20.5M over two years and for Short, it’s $28.5M over two years. If we can get a pick for Turner in a rebuild and save $49M in cap space for both, I’d do it. They’ve been mediocre at best the past two years and they are getting paid like top guys, which they aren’t.

This is the answer I was looking for. 
 

Props to @stbugs  He is like our own Capologist.   Maybe Tepper needs him on the staff.  

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

This is the answer I was looking for. 
 

Props to @stbugs  He is like our own Capologist.   Maybe Tepper needs him on the staff.  

I would love to do something like that, especially the Analytics too. I assume getting into a close knit community like the NFL would be all about relationships. Hey, if my investments do well over the next few years I’d be the capologist for watching games from the bench. 

[pantherclaw]

51 minutes ago, Toomers said:

So you don’t like having done to you what you just did to him? With the exception being that I was right and you were not. Typical hypocrisy 

Nope. I just don't argue with idiots. 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Nope. I just don't argue with idiots. 

  Stick with the hypocrisy. It’s in your wheelhouse. If you could debate what I said you would. But you can’t so just claim you’re somehow above that while calling people who are making you look stupid, idiots. 

[Happy Panther]

35 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It’s definitely more of a tackle full draft. I don’t think interior OL is close to the last two years. Tackles are way better and deeper. 

Yeah good point. I mean some of these guys probably played both. I am guessing.

[Happy Panther]

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

[MHS831]

3 hours ago, Snake said:

This is a dumb rumor. We owe him too much to move him. 

I looked at over the cap and thought--"He ain't goin anywhere" a few weeks ago.  When I hear of a trade being shopped it never serves your team's best interest to leak it.  We did.  Is this a message to Cam?   I don't know---just throwing what I heard at this.