QB Love could be the third QB taken in draft, this could get us calls for a trade down.

[Ship]

48 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Those years the Browns made every mistake possible even when they didn’t move at all. Using them as an example is bad because they did literally make every bad move they could regardless of where they picked. I laugh when people try to equate why you don’t rebuild with we don’t want to be the Browns because they were so bad at drafting it was comical.

For giggles, they had 9 1st round picks from 2011-2016, this is what they got:

Mingo, Johnny Football, Richardson, Weeden, Phil Taylor, Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving, Justin Gilbert and Corey Coleman.

They literally got nothing out of 9 first rounders in 6 years. 4 of the 9 didn’t even get to their 4th year in the NFL. Not did they want to extend the 5th year option, almost half their picks didn’t even last long enough in the NFL to be considered for a 5th year. 4 of 9 were gone before they finished their rookie deal. The last one played 4 years with them and is out of the NFL. Lol, it’s still funny to think that 1 of their 9 first rounders made it to the end of his rookie deal and then he didn’t even play another down in the NFL. Pretty sure those 6 years are the worst 6 years of 1st round picks ever assembled and it’s not close, which is why trying to compare anyone to the Browns is a bad idea.

By the way, I do agree on not trading down. I want a stud and pick 7 is all but guaranteed a stud. Trade down and your risk increases. I think this looks like a really good draft but I want a stud and then just make good picks at 38 and 69 and we should have a good draft. 

I agree we are not the Browns, but it is an example. And many on this board don’t trust the people drafting beyond round 1 while any new drafter is unknown on draft performance. If we have an elite guy sitting in our lap at 7 there’s no reason to say no, I’d rather roll the dice.

[stbugs]

9 minutes ago, Ship said:

I agree we are not the Browns, but it is an example. And many on this board don’t trust the people drafting beyond round 1 while any new drafter is unknown on draft performance. If we have an elite guy sitting in our lap at 7 there’s no reason to say no, I’d rather roll the dice.

I agree. 7 is a great spot in this draft. I’d rather not trade down. I wish we hadn’t wasted the 4 3rd round picks the last two years. This year would have been great to have those extra picks. 

[Palmetto]

1 hour ago, Ship said:

I agree we are not the Browns, but it is an example. And many on this board don’t trust the people drafting beyond round 1 while any new drafter is unknown on draft performance. If we have an elite guy sitting in our lap at 7 there’s no reason to say no, I’d rather roll the dice.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001104933/article/daniel-jeremiah-2020-nfl-mock-draft-20-patriots-take-herbert

[Thama]

Every model I've seen says that trading down is almost always the smart choice. You have a slightly higher chance of landing a "hit" at 7 than you do at 12-16, but that is vastly outweighed by the benefit of extra picks in the first 3 rounds given how chaotic the system is overall and how overconfident almost every GM is in their ability to pick winners. 

[JARROD]

Who’s to say there isn’t Love in Carolina?

 

[Mister]

hope teams are big on him and herbert because im not . they both a mediocre / average players at best . people love to compare for ex the next mahomes its easier said then done !!! i dont want a qb in this draft next year prospects are better . get derrick brown / kinslaw or trade back and draft tee higgins or cee dee lamb or jefferson 

[bababoey]

On 3/2/2020 at 10:52 AM, WarPanthers89 said:

Another article: Love for Jordan Love. I stopped in my tracks walking by a TV on Thursday night, hearing NFL Network’s Marc Ross saying of Utah State quarterback Jordan Love, “His potential far exceeds Tua.” So I found Ross, 11 years a top personnel executive with the Giants, and asked for an explanation.

“If you actually watch Jordan on tape, watch the traits he has, the playmaking ability, the innate feel for the game, the feel for the pocket, the poise, that will transfer well to the NFL,” Ross said. “When you would watch him every game, there were those ‘oh my gosh’ plays that you just have to keep rewinding . . . I have been banging his drum for a while saying that he was my second favorite guy. When you watch Utah State and Jordan Love’s cast, he was under siege every play, just about. With Tua, or Joe Burrow, they have layup plays where the scheme, the protection’s there, there’s a wide receiver open every time.

“Jordan Love didn’t have any layups in his offense. He’s got these receivers who will be nowhere close to NFL receivers who are tightly covered. He has to overcome all that on every play. Whereas, the Tuas and Joe Burrows, they just really have to make five or six tough plays a game, three-pointers. Jordan Love, every play for him is a three-pointer, or beating his man off the dribble to try to score.”

You know everything said about Love above you could, and some people did, say about Cam when he came out.  When Cam came out only 1 other player from that offense was in the NFL for any length of time.  It was his RB who got kicked out of Auburn and I think he played for 2 or 3 years.  No one else made it over a year. 

The difference is Cam played in the SEC and did not lose a game.  Utah State finished 7-6 in the Mountain West.  Just saying

[Davidson Deac II]

On 3/2/2020 at 12:17 PM, stbugs said:

Those years the Browns made every mistake possible even when they didn’t move at all. Using them as an example is bad because they did literally make every bad move they could regardless of where they picked. I laugh when people try to equate why you don’t rebuild with we don’t want to be the Browns because they were so bad at drafting it was comical.

For giggles, they had 9 1st round picks from 2011-2016, this is what they got:

Mingo, Johnny Football, Richardson, Weeden, Phil Taylor, Danny Shelton, Cameron Erving, Justin Gilbert and Corey Coleman.

They literally got nothing out of 9 first rounders in 6 years. 4 of the 9 didn’t even get to their 4th year in the NFL. Not did they want to extend the 5th year option, almost half their picks didn’t even last long enough in the NFL to be considered for a 5th year. 4 of 9 were gone before they finished their rookie deal. The last one played 4 years with them and is out of the NFL. Lol, it’s still funny to think that 1 of their 9 first rounders made it to the end of his rookie deal and then he didn’t even play another down in the NFL. Pretty sure those 6 years are the worst 6 years of 1st round picks ever assembled and it’s not close, which is why trying to compare anyone to the Browns is a bad idea.

By the way, I do agree on not trading down. I want a stud and pick 7 is all but guaranteed a stud. Trade down and your risk increases. I think this looks like a really good draft but I want a stud and then just make good picks at 38 and 69 and we should have a good draft. 

Looking at the last 10 or so picks at #7, I certainly don't think getting a stud at #7 is all but guaranteed.  I looked thru the list, and there are maybe 2-4 studs, 4 ok players and a couple of bust.  Having a larger number of picks gives the team a better shot at getting good players.  

Joe Haden (very good player borderline stud)
Aldon Smith (Out of the league due to off field issues)
Mark Barron - (solid player)
Jonathan Cooper (bust)
Mike Evans (stud)
Kevin White (bust)
Deforest Buckner (stud)
Mike Williams (good player so far)
QB Josh Allen (good player so far)
Lb Josh Allen (very good player so far)

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, Mister said:

hope teams are big on him and herbert because im not . they both a mediocre / average players at best . people love to compare for ex the next mahomes its easier said then done !!! i dont want a qb in this draft next year prospects are better . get derrick brown / kinslaw or trade back and draft tee higgins or cee dee lamb or jefferson 

Not a fan of what Herbert was able to show in that Oregon offense but he has great physical talent. Interviews and whiteboard work will probably be critical for him.

Love played for Utah State. Me and 99% of people have never seen a single one of his games and everyone's highlight reel looks good.

[Davidson Deac II]

I did get to watch him play a game this year.  In person even. He looked pretty good in a loss.

Problem is its difficult to judge a player's potential from college play.  If you qb at Alabama, you are surrounded by talent that is superior to virtually every team you play.  If you qb at Utah State, you generallly have less talent around you, but the defenses you are playing against aren't that talented.  Which is why most estimates of how are qb will do in the NFL are just guesses.  

[stbugs]

23 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Looking at the last 10 or so picks at #7, I certainly don't think getting a stud at #7 is all but guaranteed.  I looked thru the list, and there are maybe 2-4 studs, 4 ok players and a couple of bust.  Having a larger number of picks gives the team a better shot at getting good players.  

Joe Haden (very good player borderline stud)
Aldon Smith (Out of the league due to off field issues)
Mark Barron - (solid player)
Jonathan Cooper (bust)
Mike Evans (stud)
Kevin White (bust)
Deforest Buckner (stud)
Mike Williams (good player so far)
QB Josh Allen (good player so far)
Lb Josh Allen (very good player so far)

Pick #7 in prior years is meaningless. This is a solid draft. Look at the top 10 in 2011 versus 2013. I’m more speaking to the guys at the top in this draft. Nothing is guaranteed with a particular player, I’m just saying at 7, we will be able to get one of the “studs” of this draft especially due to Tua’s health status and Herbert/Love performing well. Derrick Brown is one of the studs of this draft. It’s possible he fails but after the draft we would be considered to have gotten a stud. If we traded down to say 18 and 26 via the Dolphins we could get two really good players but neither would be considered can’t miss studs like what we’ll have available at 7. 

[Davidson Deac II]

Just now, stbugs said:

Pick #7 in prior years is meaningless. This is a solid draft. Look at the top 10 in 2011 versus 2013. I’m more speaking to the guys at the top in this draft. Nothing is guaranteed with a particular player, I’m just saying at 7, we will be able to get one of the “studs” of this draft especially due to Tua’s health status and Herbert/Love performing well. Derrick Brown is one of the studs of this draft. It’s possible he fails but after the draft we would be considered to have gotten a stud. If we traded down to say 18 and 26 via the Dolphins we could get two really good players but neither would be considered can’t miss studs like what we’ll have available at 7. 

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  Only time will tell.  

[Real1zOnly]

Trade down?

lol Love could be our pick. His pro day should tell us a lot. We already know he is athletic and mobile. If he kills it at his pro day he very well may be our franchise QB.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.  Only time will tell.  

C’mon, there’s no need to be wishy washy and say something that has no substance at all. It’s a solid draft, especially for us and I’m not saying anything off. Technically speaking, every single player in this draft could bust. That said there appear to be some decent QB prospects, a lot more tackle prospects than most years, a bunch of DL talent, a great DE talent, a great LB talent, a pretty deep CB pool, the deepest WR talent maybe ever, a very deep and talented RB pool and a decent amount of C/G prospects. It’s a very solid draft, deep in several spots.