Extending Shaq vs Bradberry... another Hurney mistake?

[Smithers]

Only half of Shaqs contract was guaranteed. We can cut him after two seasons if need be.  Hurney negotiated this deal very well.  

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Shaq has underachieved since he got here...drafted way too high to begin with...but we sure as hell don’t have anybody else

i yell at Bradbury every game as well...but I don’t want to lose him

and I didnt want to lose star either

This might be the first time I have Agreed with everything you have said.

[stbugs]

6 hours ago, Car123 said:

If we drafted a G in the second last year you’d complain about Carolina not thinking about the future by not selecting a LT.

Not by me and not Little. Go look at the draft threads. Little was panned quite a bit. I wanted McCoy. @ncfan wanted Risner. We lost Norwell and Ryan Kalil. We didn’t end up replacing either and the tackles the past two drafts weren’t nearly as deep as the interior guys. We wasted 3 picks in a row and had guys in for private visits, i.e. very well known to us, and we skipped all of them for Little and Grier. We could have had three starters and got a hope that we have maybe one. Now we get an amazing tackle class and we’re going to go after interior because again we had to take Little. The Saints sure didn’t mind that when McCoy dropped in their laps and they now have a probably pro-bowler anchoring their OL and ours is sort of in shambles.

Try as you might to back your boy, he fuged up the last two drafts after picking the two guys everyone had mocked to us and that has me really scared. There’s very little chance that 7 isn’t an elite player. We got a very good draft slot especially since people appear to love Love, Herbert had a solid Senior Bowl and combine and Tua got the all clear. After that we should end up with solid starters at 38 and 69 based on the talent in this draft.

[PantherPhann89]

7 hours ago, stbugs said:

True, although one would have thought that letting Norwell go and knowing Kalil was retiring (from us) would have gotten us at least one interior OL draft pick in the past two really strong interior OL drafts. It didn’t, just UDFAs and a C who we clearly know now wasn’t remotely healthy coming off of a season ending injury (one reason I want to cut bait on Short now).

We don’t seem to be doing a lot of future thinking, more reactionary thinking. Hoping the new staff will change that. 

True statement as well. I do think that resigning Shaq was a proactive signing. Luke's retirement caught everyone off guard. I believe that there current staff will be able to adapt  and regroup much better than the previous coaching staff. 

[stbugs]

9 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

True statement as well. I do think that resigning Shaq was a proactive signing. Luke's retirement caught everyone off guard. I believe that there current staff will be able to adapt  and regroup much better than the previous coaching staff. 

I’m glad we resigned Shaq although man did we back up the truck for him. Bradberry wasn't going to sign with us and I’d rather take a young guy, get a 3rd and save the cap for CMC and Moore. So many people (mainly the people freaking about some of us saying trade Cam since we’re in a full rebuild) were saying trade CMC and potentially sign Bradberry. I’m fairly certain as a weapon for us that CMC is way more valuable than Bradberry.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Smithers said:

Only half of Shaqs contract was guaranteed. We can cut him after two seasons if need be.  Hurney negotiated this deal very well.  

  So 27M, and 9.6M in dead cap if we cut him then is a good deal? How’s that work? 

[PantherPhann89]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I’m glad we resigned Shaq although man did we back up the truck for him. Bradberry wasn't going to sign with us and I’d rather take a young guy, get a 3rd and save the cap for CMC and Moore. So many people (mainly the people freaking about some of us saying trade Cam since we’re in a full rebuild) were saying trade CMC and potentially sign Bradberry. I’m fairly certain as a weapon for us that CMC is way more valuable than Bradberry.

"Bradberry wasn't going to sign with us" He hasn't said that he wouldn't resign, he said that he wants to be paid what he's worth, 15 mil p/y

"I’d rather take a young guy, get a 3rd" You do realize if we got a third for Bradberry, it would be next year right. 

I would like to keep Bradberry bc we may not get a Marshon Lattimore, but I doubt that happens. 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, PantherPhann89 said:

"Bradberry wasn't going to sign with us" He hasn't said that he wouldn't resign, he said that he wants to be paid what he's worth, 15 mil p/y

"I’d rather take a young guy, get a 3rd" You do realize if we got a third for Bradberry, it would be next year right. 

I would like to keep Bradberry bc we may not get a Marshon Lattimore, but I doubt that happens. 

I understand that it doesn't mean we are out. I just don't think he was going to resign with us because of the the money. We heard a bit ago that he wanted top CB money. Unlike Daryl, who was damaged goods, Bradberry will get suitors.

I'm 100% up on how comp picks work. I just didn't feel the need to explain what year you get a 3rd because obviously you can't get a current year pick when many FAs are signed right before and after the draft. It's a couple weeks after the draft before you get the deadline where FA signings don't count.

I also know we aren't competing for anything next year so I'm OK with getting picks next year. We look like we could get a bunch of comp picks (Bradberry, Butler, Boston, Cockrell, McCoy, Addison, etc.) in 2021, so we could potentially do a lot of picks and/or movement which is good in a rebuild.

Lattimore is far better than Bradberry IMHO. I like Bradberry, but there's a bunch of CBs at 38 and maybe 69 that could replace him well enough. Again, I think this is a multi-year rebuild so it doesn't have to be a stud in this draft. It looks like there are a ton of solid DL, WRs and OTs that could push quite a few other positions down. Also, I'd much rather keep $15M a year for Moore, CMC and maybe Moton/Samuel. That's part of the reason why I want to trade Cam and let our FAs walk. It's not that I don't like him or didn't love what he did for us and the community. I just don't think we are close to a contender to pay Cam $30-35M a year. We could save something like $160M over 2021-2025 with a 2021 rookie QB. Same with Bradberry. CMC is under contract/5th year until 2022 FA. Moore until 2023 FA, so that's $45-75M saved with a rookie CB as well.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

4 hours ago, Smithers said:

Only half of Shaqs contract was guaranteed. We can cut him after two seasons if need be.  Hurney negotiated this deal very well.  

I think it might me a tad high but not extravagant. I think we paid a bit for some continuity with the team.  If he performs decent over the next couple years no one will bat an eye.  
 

I like Bradbury and wish him well but we would definitely have to overpay to keep him. He’s a decent player but I would rather put that money elsewhere.  

[1of10Charnatives]

22 hours ago, hepcat said:

Everything is a mistake, yet nothing is a mistake. 

Once you release all your expectations and begin to accept that this football team is destined for perpetual failure and disappointment, minuscule decisions like this are just lint on your boobs.

Stop looking at my boobs.

*brushes lint off of them*

[Harbingers]

23 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Sounds like  Bradberry wanted too much money. Plus we needed Shaq with Luke retiring. I think he made the right choice.

I don’t think anyone but maybe Tepper knew about Luke’s retirement until after the last game and the big talk Tepper and luke had. 

[PantherPhann89]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

I understand that it doesn't mean we are out. I just don't think he was going to resign with us because of the the money. We heard a bit ago that he wanted top CB money. Unlike Daryl, who was damaged goods, Bradberry will get suitors.

I'm 100% up on how comp picks work. I just didn't feel the need to explain what year you get a 3rd because obviously you can't get a current year pick when many FAs are signed right before and after the draft. It's a couple weeks after the draft before you get the deadline where FA signings don't count.

I also know we aren't competing for anything next year so I'm OK with getting picks next year. We look like we could get a bunch of comp picks (Bradberry, Butler, Boston, Cockrell, McCoy, Addison, etc.) in 2021, so we could potentially do a lot of picks and/or movement which is good in a rebuild.

Lattimore is far better than Bradberry IMHO. I like Bradberry, but there's a bunch of CBs at 38 and maybe 69 that could replace him well enough. Again, I think this is a multi-year rebuild so it doesn't have to be a stud in this draft. It looks like there are a ton of solid DL, WRs and OTs that could push quite a few other positions down. Also, I'd much rather keep $15M a year for Moore, CMC and maybe Moton/Samuel. That's part of the reason why I want to trade Cam and let our FAs walk. It's not that I don't like him or didn't love what he did for us and the community. I just don't think we are close to a contender to pay Cam $30-35M a year. We could save something like $160M over 2021-2025 with a 2021 rookie QB. Same with Bradberry. CMC is under contract/5th year until 2022 FA. Moore until 2023 FA, so that's $45-75M saved with a rookie CB as well.

Sounds good...

[stbugs]

44 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Sounds good...

Yep, then again I’m not the GM so I have 0 clue where this ship is taking us. I do know that this and next year’s draft are pretty pivotal. It sure seems like this draft is pretty stacked so we can’t have a repeat of last year. So worried about Marty having way too much influence.

[thefuzz]

Was certainly a questionable move IMO.

We are always playing catch up with Marty at the helm.