A Lot of Talk About LT ... Are You All Just Dismissing Greg Little?

[pantherclaw]

Just now, thefuzz said:

He will get every single opportunity to prove that he is a top flight offensive tackle, he doesn't need us to let him do that, the coaches will make sure of it.

However, it doesn't mean that we should just blindly put faith in him being up to the task, nor should be ignore the offensive tackle position in this draft because he "had bad injury luck" as a rookie.

I'm scared that Hurney thinks enough of Little that he just needs to get healthy and he will be fine.

I don't believe the coaches are just blindly putting faith in him.  Not sure how anybody would even think that. 

[rippadonn]

The problem is people think a kid coming out of college is going to push around grown ars men who have more weight room and technical experience. Lol.

Draft an impact player at 7. Unless the guy is a total freak of nature as an OL you can't expect a rookie to come in and do much at that position. Lol

Little wasn't expected to dominate this year. Some positions in the NFL require you give rookies some time OL is definitely one of those.

What we need to do is to find solid veteran backups for the young pups we've got.

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I don't believe the coaches are just blindly putting faith in him.  Not sure how anybody would even think that. 

It's not the coaches I'm worried about, it's the guy who moved up in the draft to get a falling player who he "had a 1st round grade on", and him still being in charge of the draft this go round.

I'm scared of this.

Marty:  Matt, we got our LT last year, we have Moton this year at RT, we need to look at other positions, not be focused on OT with the 7th pick.

That is what scares me.

[Madwolf]

Just now, rippadonn said:

The problem is people think a kid coming out of college is going to push around grown ars men who have more weight room and technical experience. Lol.

Draft an impact player at 7. Unless the guy is a total freak of nature as an OL you can't expect a rookie to come in and do much at that position. Lol

Little wasn't expected to dominate this year. Some positions in the NFL require you give rookies some time OL is definitely one of those.

What we need to do is to find solid veteran backups for the young pups we've got.

And let's just discount the fact that Little is on the redline in terms of being undersized in various aspects to play LT. It's almost as if you could predict that he was a massive risk, and will be hard pressed to every make it as a truly solid LT.

[CanadianCat]

this is not a bad argument. 

 

That being said, consider what the Oline could look like if Little does develop and we draft a OL at #7. Suddenly we have one of the better lines in the league.

[Mr. Scot]

This notion that either picking our next LT at #7 or putting complete faith in Greg Little are our only two choices is ill-informed. There are other options.

[SetfreexX]

7 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

You amusingly left out the part where he graded out as a 52.7 out of 100 on their ratings scale, which is largely due to how many pressures and hits he gave up

To put this in perspective, Paradis was a 67 out of 100, despite how terrible he was.

So by your own metrics, Little was just short of a dumpster fire last year.

First year rookie in four games with off and on injuries, I'm willing to let the growing pains take place, but to add onto your point the highest graded ROOKIE Tackle had a grade of 63.9 -- Jawaan Taylor (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-players-rookies-surprises-from-2019-nfl-season) -- so being about 11 points off of that is something to be expected in an injury derailed campaign. For the bad game he did have, he didn't get additional snaps to recover. 

But to throw out a ''blanket dumpster fire'' assessment just shows you don't go very far and are looking to push the narrative that he's a bad OL, I just prefer to look at something a little more based on the outcome of the snaps.

So while Little's ovr grade is low, his sacks allowed % isn't something you can just ignore, as something like ''pressures'' like sacks can be created by the QB not getting the ball out on time. This was a huge struggle for Kyle as defenses started to sit on the short routes because Kyle Allen was ranked 32 out ot 32 in deep ball accuracy. 

 

[Madwolf]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

First year rookie in four games with off and on injuries, I'm willing to let the growing pains take place, but to add onto your point the highest graded ROOKIE Tackle had a grade of 63.9 -- Jawaan Taylor (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-highest-graded-players-rookies-surprises-from-2019-nfl-season) -- so being about 11 points off of that is something to be expected in an injury derailed campaign. For the bad game he did have, he didn't get additional snaps to recover. 

But to throw out a ''blanket dumpster fire'' assessment just shows you don't go very far and are looking to push the narrative that he's a bad OL, I just prefer to look at something a little more based on the outcome of the snaps.

So while Little's ovr grade is low, his sacks allowed % isn't something you can just ignore, as something like ''pressures'' like sacks can be created by the QB not getting the ball out on time. This was a huge struggle for Kyle as defenses started to sit on the short routes because Kyle Allen was ranked 32 out ot 32 in deep ball accuracy. 

 

So as long as we ignore all the things that make him a huge risk he grades out as solidly bellow average. All we have to do is cross our fingers he doesn't get injured like he has a history of, and he'll just suddenly become elite against all odds.

What a plan.

[DubE_4MR]

You should always be looking to upgrade your roster through the draft and free agency. It's not a knock against Little it's trying to improve your roster when the opportunity is there.

[SetfreexX]

1 minute ago, CanadianCat said:

this is not a bad argument. 

 

That being said, consider what the Oline could look like if Little does develop and we draft a OL at #7. Suddenly we have one of the better lines in the league.

Then we look at the worst run defense in the NFL....

Poe off a Quad tear

KK off of a Should tear (if memory serves)

No current 3rd down lineman on the roster that fits a 3-4 front....

Kuechly's retirement

Irvin / McCoy / Bradberry / Boston - FA's

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Again, I'm not knocking an OL at #7 I'd support it, BUT when building a team you can't get locked in on one aspect of the team, the BPA lines up with our biggest needs -- IDL / ILB

Tackle depth in FA for a veteran that is middle tier, and day 2 prospects would assist in solidifying the OL, but we can't ignore an impact player on defense, considering that side of the ball is worse off in comparison to the offense.

[Madwolf]

It would make more sense to have Little be the LG or RT than to try and stubbornly force him into the role a LT.

[Madwolf]

Just now, SetfreexX said:

Then we look at the worst run defense in the NFL....

Poe off a Quad tear

KK off of a Should tear (if memory serves)

No current 3rd down lineman on the roster that fits a 3-4 front....

Kuechly's retirement

Irvin / McCoy / Bradberry / Boston - FA's

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Again, I'm not knocking an OL at #7 I'd support it, BUT when building a team you can't get locked in on one aspect of the team, the BPA lines up with our biggest needs -- IDL / ILB

Tackle depth in FA for a veteran that is middle tier, and day 2 prospects would assist in solidifying the OL, but we can't ignore an impact player on defense, considering that side of the ball is worse off in comparison to the offense.

Have you looked at the Tackle "depth" in FA? Because this is why you look so off with your argument.

There are basically 2 guys who are going to be available worth a crap at LT. One is 32, and the other is 38. Neither of those guys are going to come cheap, or be around in 4 years when you're looking at another playoff run.

On the OTHER hand, there are plenty of NTs, and DL out there than can be signed young and do a serviceable job.

 

[SetfreexX]

2 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

So as long as we ignore all the things that make him a huge risk he grades out as solidly bellow average. All we have to do is cross our fingers he doesn't get injured like he has a history of, and he'll just suddenly become elite against all odds.

What a plan.

No you just need to realize the expectations for a rookie, he was not far from the highest graded rookie Tackle, and Taylor is on the right side of the OL he's not even a LT so in most cases he's not getting each team's best pass rusher. 

Not one rookie LT made the to 50 rookie list through 17 weeks...not one. -- https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-50-highest-graded-rookies-through-week-17

Aside from QB it is the hardest position / most demanding position to play on offense, and rookies have to grow into that role, it's common sense, of the 1st round LT's taken in recent years nearly all of them had to develop into that role. Jake Long is the last highly drafted LT that comes to mind that was really good day 1. 

There could be others, but they escape me atm. 

 

[rippadonn]

15 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

And let's just discount the fact that Little is on the redline in terms of being undersized in various aspects to play LT. It's almost as if you could predict that he was a massive risk, and will be hard pressed to every make it as a truly solid LT.

Honestly I have the same concern but I gotta actually wait to see if he has improved his conditioning(pretty sure) strength and technique. I'm not calling bust yet but I'm not crowning him future LT either.