How many GM's draft better than Hurney?

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

Gotcha..move those goalposts, buddy.  "He sucks if he doesn't get hired by another organization.  Oh what he did?  Well no, not that organization obviously!".

Did Gettleman bringing Shula to the Giants count then?  I know you're quite the fan of him to say the least, so is Shula therefore a good offensive coordinator?

Gettleman didn't bring Shula to the Giants. Pat Shurmur did.

And as stated above, even the dumb organizations weren't dumb enough to hire Marty.

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm starting to sense that you've lost track of your own spin 

I think you are, by equating getting phone calls after being fired as some kind of measurement of competence, when you made a sarcastic remark about How smart it was to keep Rivera....yet he got a call as soon as he got fired 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Jesus H Christ you are insufferable

I don’t know who’s alt this is but whomever he used to follow around like a lost puppy before owes me a beer for distracting his attention from you 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

I think you are, by equating getting phone calls after being fired as some kind of measurement of competence, when you made a sarcastic remark about How smart it was to keep Rivera....yet he got a call as soon as he got fired 

Not really.

Dan Snyder is pretty much universally acknowledged as a lousy owner, as are many others.

Yet even the dumb ones knew better than to hire Marty Hurney.

Well...all but one.

[MasterAwesome]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman didn't bring Shula to the Giants. Pat Shurmur did.

And as stated above, even the dumb organizations weren't dumb enough to hire Marty.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/01/nfl-rumors-giants-interview-mike-shula-for-offensive-coordinator-job-why-it-may-be-best-case-scenario-for-daniel-jones.html

"Giants general manager Dave Gettleman previously worked with Shula with the Carolina Panthers and played a significant role in bringing Shula to the Giants in 2018."

[Cpt slay a ho]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman didn't bring Shula to the Giants. Pat Shurmur did.

And as stated above, even the dumb organizations weren't dumb enough to hire Marty.

Buttttttttt if they had, let me guess they would be consider a “dumb” organization....yeah ok 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/01/nfl-rumors-giants-interview-mike-shula-for-offensive-coordinator-job-why-it-may-be-best-case-scenario-for-daniel-jones.html

"Giants general manager Dave Gettleman previously worked with Shula with the Carolina Panthers and played a significant role in bringing Shula to the Giants in 2018."

Gettleman hired Shurmur. Shurmur hired Shula. Both wound up fired.

Judge interviewed Shula and passed.

That's how it works.

[Shotgun]

21 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

So if Hurney sucks cause no one would hire him after he was fired, does that also mean Ron Rivera, Mike Shula, and Dave Gettleman are great at their jobs?  I mean hey, they were all hired immediately elsewhere after we fired them...they must be pretty good!  Is that how it works?

Better than Hurney, but they all suck too. Well Shula and Hurney maybe a tie.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Buttttttttt if they had, let me guess they would be consider a “dumb” organization....yeah ok 

The Giants aren't a dumb organization because they have a track record that shows they aren't. The Redskins are just the opposite.

Wanna guess where Jerry Richardson fell on that spectrum?

Mind you, even smart organizations are known to make dumb moves, and dumb organizations occasionally make smart moves, though that's rare.

And I'm guessing in your mind this is somehow making Marty Hurney sound better, but I've got some bad news for you on that front...

[MasterAwesome]

On 2/25/2020 at 1:31 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Bottom Line: Professionals are professionals for a reason. the notion that they should listen to the opinion of amateurs on how to do their job is silly.

Everyone just keep in mind that Mr. Scot actually unironically posted this in another thread recently when defending reporters and their errant speculation.  Meanwhile he's on here furiously posting 17,000 times every day season after season about how terrible our coaches and GM are, and now questioning the new owner's judgment when deciding who the right people are to run his business.  Yes, he's insinuating our multi-billionaire owner has terrible judgment and has no idea what he's doing in running his new business.  Even though he hasn't had experience heading a football team, it seems like putting the right people in the right positions is kinda right in the ballpark for the man who built and developed a multi-billion dollar business, no?  Besides, Mr. Scot spent countless threads after threads after posts after posts speculating about what Tepper would do with the Panthers based on his experience with a successful organization like the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Now it seems like all that experience is conveniently flushed down the toilet and Tepper has no idea what he's doing.  Depends on the narrative I guess.

[Cpt slay a ho]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really.

Dan Snyder is pretty much universally acknowledged as a lousy owner, as are many others.

Yet even the dumb ones knew better than to hire Marty Hurney.

Well...all but one.

He was hired by the redskins but had multiple suitors.....Most teams with good ownership already have an established head coach and gm, so generally if you’re getting a job as a gm or head coach, you’re being hired into a situation with not so good prior results.....or generally a team with a bad structure at some level....so saying snider is a bad owner is cool and all but that doesn’t negate that you’ve equated receiving a phone call after being fired as a measurement of how desirable you are to others....

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, panther4life said:

Hurney wasn’t our GM from 2013-17. So I couldn’t use those years. 2018 is only 2 seasons removed, so a little early to judge that class. 

Right but drafting Ryan Kalil doesn’t matter anymore. It’s a different NFL and he fell in love with Little and missed on a Ryan Kalil part two that the Saints drafted. He’s not the same drafter that he was pre-2009 and 2007 was his last truly impact draft.

How come we can’t judge a class yet when the Saints drafted a C last year that graded out in the top 5? Gardner-Johnson played a lot. Davenport and Smith have played a bunch from 2018 and 2017 is a huge draft class for both us and the Saints and all of them contributed in year 1 or year 2. Our 2018 class hasn’t had much good impact outside of Moore. I wouldn’t even say Donte when Daryl Worley outplayed him this year. You have to go back 12 years to get to drafts that weren’t first round and meh.

[SmokinwithWilly]

24 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

You can’t just rely on draft picks to fill the roster, after round 1 the percentage to hit in a pick drops drastically 

I think the patriots a couple seasons ago had a draft where they only retained 1 player from it, and Bill is regarded as a top gm in most nfl circles 

Obviously you cant just fill through the draft, but good teams find key players there they can get on the cheap.

They also find guys to replace ridiculously overpriced free agents. Hate him all you want, but Gettleman was right not to pay Norman. 3 years in Washington proves it. He drafted JB to replace him and freed up that cap space to make some FA moves. 

The draft is more than selecting a good player. It's about selecting the right one. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Giants aren't a dumb organization because they have a track record that shows they aren't. The Redskins are just the opposite.

Wanna guess where Jerry Richardson fell on that spectrum?

Mind you, even smart organizations are known to make dumb moves, and dumb organizations occasionally make smart moves, though that's rare.

And I'm guessing in your mind this is somehow making Marty Hurney sound better, but I've got some bad news for you on that front...

Giants in generally but as of late there a dumpster fire franchise...

im not trying to “make” hurney look good lol, if acknowledging he drafts well is that then something is wrong with your view of it