How many GM's draft better than Hurney?

[SmokinwithWilly]

As I've said many times before, it's not just about the talent of the players you draft but how they fit into the overall scheme. Hurney has always thought we are 1 or 2 pieces away from a championship run and has drafted accordingly. Look no further than last years draft to see what I mean.

Deep IOL class, weak tackles, so we pass on center and guard to move up for a raw tackle prospect Hurney put a day 1 grade on. Burns and Miller are now in a system they dont necessarily fit, and Grier is a prospect to be developed when the Panthers have zero track of ever developing a backup. Our first 5 picks made no sense given the needs of the team and the strengths of the draft.

Result 5-11 and pick 7. But at least hes likely to hit in the first round on yet another top 10 pick.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

When Richardson fired DG on a whim right before the season started he didnt have any other options at the time for GM's.  Marty was still local and knew how to guide the team into the season.  It was interim at first then Richardson made it full time because Marty didnt push back and was a yes man.

 

your turn

Because of 2010.....and that Richardson spin is one of the worst on this board....so how is he still employed if Richardson just wanted to keep around a yes man ? Never mind that we did have a interviewing process for a new gm prior to name him full time gm

[Cpt slay a ho]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a heck of a promotion from being unemployed.

Im sure he wasn’t hurting for money so bad that he’d willing take a demotion of that magnitude, in the end he was right.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Because of 2010.....and that Richardson spin is one of the worst on this board....so how is he still employed if Richardson just wanted to keep around a yes man ? Never mind that we did have a interviewing process for a new gm prior to name him full time gm

Hurney wasnt hired by another team at any level because of a bad year.  Got it.  Also Hurney was relieved of duties in 2012.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Im sure he wasn’t hurting for money so bad that he’d willing take a demotion of that magnitude, in the end he was right.

It's also pretty easy to not take another job when nobody offers you one.

(or even interviews you for one, or calls to ask if you'd be interested in one, or...well)

[Cpt slay a ho]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Hurney wasnt hired by another team at any level because of a bad year.  Got it.  Also Hurney was relieved of duties in 2012.

Ok.....he signed everyone to horrible extensions in 2010....lol if you call that just a bad year 

[Cpt slay a ho]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's also pretty easy to not take another job when nobody offers you one.

(or even interviews you for one, or calls to ask if you'd be interested in one, or...well)

I’m still trying to wrap my head around how a guy can be so unhireable, if that’s a word, to the point he can’t get a low level scouting job but end up with another gm job after years of being “unemployed”, and keep it even under new ownership..... 

[Car123]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ask the Bears how James Anderson was for them after signing that contract.

Again though, as has been pointed out, you're trying to narrow the focus because you know that if you look at the big picture, it's bad.

I could make a highlight reel of good plays made by Jimmy Clausen and declare that as proof that he was a great quarterback. It'd basically be the same thing as what you're doing with Marty Hurney.

He's a terrible GM, and the team would be far better off without him. 

Most free agents don’t live up to their contract. James Anderson was a solid player for us.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’m still trying to wrap my head around how a guy can be so unhireable, if that’s a word, to the point he can’t get a low level scouting job but end up with another gm job after years of being “unemployed”, and keep it even under new ownership..... 

How he got a job is pretty simple. Jerry Richardson is the same idiot that promoted him to a job he wasn't qualified for in the first place (a habit of his, actually).

How he's keeping it is still up in the air. Unfortunately, the answer might turn out to be that David Tepper doesn't know what he's doing either.

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, panther4life said:

Hurney 3rd rounders from 02 to 2012

worthy of the pick:

Will Witherspoon

Ricky Manning Jr

Travelle Wharton

Evan Mathis

James Anderson

Charles Johnson

Charles Godfrey 

Dan Conner 

Brandon Lafell

Not worthy:

Mike Seidman

Rahard Butler

Aatiyah Ellison

Corvey Irvin

Armanti Edwards 

Mccalin 

Fua

To me that’s a 56% 9 Of 16

hit rate on 3rd rounders not too bad for someone who supposedly can only draft well inside round 1.

To be fair I’d say his 2nd round is actually worse:

I have 3 worthy of the selection:

Deshaun Foster

Ryan Kalil

Richard Marshall

vs 6 not worthy.

Bruce Nelson, Keary Colbert, Eric Shelton,Dwayne Jarrett, Sherrod Martin, Amini Silatolu.

Thats a 33% hit ratio. 
 

Then we all know he’s 100% in the first. That puts him at 10/10 in the same time period.

That’s  35 picks inside the first 3 rounds. 
 I’ve got him hitting on 22 of the 35. Let’s say I gave him too much credit for 4 of those picks.
 

That would still be over 50% success rate inside the 3 rounds!!
 

Yes 4 of those first rounders were top 10 picks.Btw you should check out the other top 10 picks in those years and see how many of them panned out!  He also picked 25th or later 3 of those times. The other 3 first rounders were 13,14 and 19. 
 

 

What about 2018 and 2018. Ryan Kalil is retired. We can’t keep going back past the past decade to give Marty props. It’s been over a decade since he’s had a good draft. Not just a good 1st rounder but an entire draft. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

48 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’m still trying to wrap my head around how a guy can be so unhireable, if that’s a word, to the point he can’t get a low level scouting job but end up with another gm job after years of being “unemployed”, and keep it even under new ownership..... 

It's pretty simple. Richardson never wanted to fire him to start with but someone's head had to roll. Rivera or Hurney. So when Gman pissed off JR, it was the perfect time to bring him back. Any interviews with other candidates were a joke and everyone knew it. The job was always Hurney's. 

How he has kept it I dont know, but his track record has shown he cant build a consistently performing team.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

...his track record has shown he cant build a consistently performing team.

Which is kind of, you know, the whole point.

The logic that he should keep the full power of a GM because he drafts well in the first round is hilarious. It's like saying we should have kept Jimmy Clausen as a starting quarterback because he was really good at handoffs.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is kind of, you know, the whole point.

The logic that he should keep the full power of a GM because he drafts well in the first round is hilarious. It's like saying we should have kept Jimmy Clausen as a starting quarterback because he was really good at handoffs.

To bad they weren't to Eric Shelton.

[panther4life]

25 minutes ago, stbugs said:

What about 2018 and 2018. Ryan Kalil is retired. We can’t keep going back past the past decade to give Marty props. It’s been over a decade since he’s had a good draft. Not just a good 1st rounder but an entire draft. 

Hurney wasn’t our GM from 2013-17. So I couldn’t use those years. 2018 is only 2 seasons removed, so a little early to judge that class.