Contracts

[tukafan21]

8 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

We're in a QB desperate league. I think some teams would give KA 2-3 years... His resume? 5-4 while a real NFL HC is calling plays, you don't think a former NFL MVP can get 2-3 years if he can pass a physical? 

I don’t think any team will want to be committed to another 20-50 million in 2021 and 2022 if he can’t make it through 2020 in one piece and show he can still be an elite starting QB in this league.

If they did that and he gets hurt or is terrible, they’re then stuck for another 2 more years before they can get back on track.

I think those teams would rather suck again in 2020 and go for a top QB in the draft than take that kind of risk.

[Pantherzack179812]

36 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I don’t think any team will want to be committed to another 20-50 million in 2021 and 2022 if he can’t make it through 2020 in one piece and show he can still be an elite starting QB in this league.

If they did that and he gets hurt or is terrible, they’re then stuck for another 2 more years before they can get back on track.

I think those teams would rather suck again in 2020 and go for a top QB in the draft than take that kind of risk.

Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott will and make 35+... Why would a team refuse to put down 40 million 2 years for a former NFL MVP? Cam is going to have child support for 4 or 5 kids depending on if he stays with his new GF. You can't argue in court that you had 2 woman pregnant at the same time, so you should get custody after the split. There's a good chance Cam will be paying 4-6 million in child support, after tax he probably brings home 12 million. You will see a lot of him running, this year is more about winning a championship, this is about keeping his income.

 

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think the risk is particularly great to Cam. He will make $19.1 mil and if he fails, he fails. If he holds out, the market isn't likely to be very hot for a guy that missed that much time and hasn't come back. 

I'd expect to see a market for him about like Bridgewater post-injury. Maybe a team offering a moderate deal and a couple offering one year "prove it" contracts. I don't think you would see a long term suitor after holding out a season and being injured the previous two.

It'd take a coach going nuts over him, and there are certainly coaches capable of that (Gruden comes to mind).

But the timing for the Panthers probably couldn't get much worse. With the glut of free agent QBs about to hit the market, it was bad enough. Now he's not gonna be healthy till June? Anybody with a need isn't waiting until June.

By the time free agency and the draft have done their thing, the market for Newton might not even exist.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It'd take a coach going nuts over him, and there are certainly coaches capable of that (Gruden comes to mind).

But the timing for the Panthers probably couldn't get much worse. With the glut of free agent QBs about to hit the market, it was bad enough. Now he's not gonna be healthy till June? Anybody with a need isn't waiting until June.

By the time free agency and the draft have done their thing, the market for Newton might not even exist.

Basically.

[OneBadCat]

9 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

We all know Cam Newton is great when healthy... This is what I cannot get over contract wise... Let's say hypothetically Cam Newton comes back starts 14 games (2 missed due to soreness) and we go 10-4 with Cam and 1-1 without... 11-5... new CBA playoff system is in Carolina hosts round 1 and round 2 and loses round 3 one game short of SB55 on the road...

Cam Newton is now the #1 free agent in 2021. We could franchise tag, but the next Cam deal will be 4-5 years if we are the people that sign him...

Matt Rhule will have 6 years left after 2020... Signing Cam for 5 would require Rhule betting his whole tenure in Charlotte on Cam Newton (Ron was here 9 years, Rhule I could see being gone around then)… If Cam starts getting hurt again, we have to wait 5 years to truly see if it was Rhule's or Cam's fault, no team is winning with a 35 million dollar cap hit for 0 every year. 

I think the best course of action is get our QB at #7 and let him groom under Cam in 2020... 2021 we franchise tag him and play hardball by threatening to start our rookie if he holds out... That gives us in my opinion Cam's last two potential prime years (34 year old Cam Newton will not run as well and his passing is not getting better, let's face it). Then year 3, Herbert or Tua would be ready to start... Only way we should trade Cam is if Cincinnati will listen to a trade. 

If the Panthers get 10 wins next season or the one after then Rhule is definitely working some magic. Cam can’t mask the holes on defense. I appreciate Matt’s enthusiasm to work with Cam and see what he can do with him. I don’t think he expects to be carried by Cam like Ron was. He’s intrigued by what Newton can do but he doesn’t want to rely on it.

[GoPanthers123]

11 hours ago, nosuchthingasapanther said:

it's best for both parties if he just plays out his contract.

Exactly right.  We tested the market and found that teams aren’t willing to give up anything of fair value for Cam.  

[Pantherzack179812]

6 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

Exactly right.  We tested the market and found that teams aren’t willing to give up anything of fair value for Cam.  

Contract is a big factor. Cam is on a 1 year deal, team's hate giving draft stock for what amounts to a rental. If he was on the free market, he would likely command 2-3 years 40-60 million (tier 1 qbs make 35-40 now). I say offer him an extension with little guaranteed money. If he is as good as he was in 2017, we have no reason to worry about what is guaranteed and what is not.

[thefuzz]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

It'd take a coach going nuts over him, and there are certainly coaches capable of that (Gruden comes to mind).

But the timing for the Panthers probably couldn't get much worse. With the glut of free agent QBs about to hit the market, it was bad enough. Now he's not gonna be healthy till June? Anybody with a need isn't waiting until June.

By the time free agency and the draft have done their thing, the market for Newton might not even exist.

Precisely where we find ourselves.

Cam used his only leverage, time.

[Soul Rebel]

My bigger concern is the contracts looming after 2020....

• If Cam returns to form, we are now staring at a $30M+ per/4 years.
• Moton's contract is up
• Samuel's contract is up
• DJ, Thomas, DJax decisions on the horizon in '21

If we didn't have $27M in dead cap, that would certainly help us.

Can we in theory lock up all of these players, while still adding talent in FA? Pretty much puts the pressure on Hurney & Co. to draft well the next few years. 

We still have massive holes at LB, CB (2), FS, DT, DE, LG, and WR....potentially needing to backfill C and TE and maybe LT depending on how Little turns out.