Carolina sticking with Cam

[thefuzz]

13 hours ago, Toomers said:

You seem to think “tanking” is players throwing games. It’s just not using all your Available assets in a certain year. Every player is trying to win. It’s just unlikely with inferior talent. 
 

   And the Cowboys absolutely tanked in JJs first year. And they were a lot more than that one trade. Great drafting was the main reason. 
 

 I keep asking what’s the option if Cam is gone or just plain not healthy. What’s the plan for the team going forward that makes them a contender faster. 

This is my point to these guys.

We aren't tanking, at least we didn't try to, but here we are, with one of the worst rosters in the entire NFL, in a division which we clearly can't win, have a QB on the roster who can't pass a physical, and may not be able to until well into the Summer, and a belly full of green coaches.

We did this in 10, and it got us Cam...this is absolutely no different.

[rippadonn]

12 hours ago, Bytes said:

Drew Brees was 25 yrs old when he hurt his shoulder and was never a duel threat QB. Bridgewater rarely runs anymore. 

Running is a big part of his game. There is a lot of millage and hits on his body. With out running hes no where the same threat. Period. And he has a long history of injuries.

https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/cam-newton/4690

 

 

 

 

Drew Brees used to be a dual threat, he changed his game. Cam was 28 when he injured his shoulder cleaning up Kelvin Benjamins mess and has now been resting for almost 2yrs. The last coaching staff had Cam transitioning into a pocket passer, those hits and abuse came in the pocket not while Cam was running. Had Cam been allowed to run again(designed) he would have taken much less abuse because Cam has great field vision as a runner, he rarely takes hits running. The "threat" of Cam running or designed runs became less and less. I contest that he should have remained a dual threat QB. He got Shula'd.

The question is do you automatically discard a QB at RB age instead of QB age? Ridding yourself of a HOF caliber QB well before the twilight of his career so somebody else can win with him is not what stable franchises do. They desperately want to see what he has left which should be an almost full tank. Look at Miami, look at the Bucs. Instability, constantly losing. Is that what Panther fans want? Aside from the last year and a half Cam was never ever the reason this team lost games. It was the fact they didn't properly build around such a talent as him.

[thefuzz]

13 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Drew Brees used to be a dual threat, he changed his game. Cam was 28 when he injured his shoulder cleaning up Kelvin Benjamins mess and has now been resting for almost 2yrs. The last coaching staff had Cam transitioning into a pocket passer, those hits and abuse came in the pocket not while Cam was running. Had Cam been allowed to run again(designed) he would have taken much less abuse because Cam has great field vision as a runner, he rarely takes hits running. The "threat" of Cam running or designed runs became less and less. I contest that he should have remained a dual threat QB. He got Shula'd.

The question is do you automatically discard a QB at RB age instead of QB age? Ridding yourself of a HOF caliber QB well before the twilight of his career so somebody else can win with him is not what stable franchises do. They desperately want to see what he has left which should be an almost full tank. Look at Miami, look at the Bucs. Instability, constantly losing. Is that what Panther fans want? Aside from the last year and a half Cam was never ever the reason this team lost games. It was the fact they didn't properly build around such a talent as him.

Drew Brees has never been a dual threat QB in his life.

Brees has rushed for over 100 yards in a season once in his career, and that was year 2 of his career.

On top of that Brees has been sacked 291 times in his 19 year career....Cam 407, in his 9 years, and that was with only 5 total attempts last season.

Cam has been used as a battering ram, and has sustained more hits already in his 9 years than Drew has in his 19 years.

That's why many of us are skeptical, then add in the other side of 30, and his recent bow outs the last few years, and it doesn't paint a rosy picture....unless you are absolutely trying to make it so.

[DPardue]

5 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Drew Brees has never been a dual threat QB in his life.

Brees has rushed for over 100 yards in a season once in his career, and that was year 2 of his career.

On top of that Brees has been sacked 291 times in his 19 year career....Cam 407, in his 9 years, and that was with only 5 total attempts last season.

Cam has been used as a battering ram, and has sustained more hits already in his 9 years than Drew has in his 19 years.

That's why many of us are skeptical, then add in the other side of 30, and his recent bow outs the last few years, and it doesn't paint a rosy picture....unless you are absolutely trying to make it so.

And because of these hits, Cam's true age as a QB is probably well north of 30.  Given the frequency of hits he has absorbed, this isn't a typical 30 year old QB body; the age metrics used for typical QBs probably do not apply here.  Maybe he comes back and has a stellar season and redirects the trajectory of his career, which I certainly hope happens, but I think there are legitimate reasons to think that Cam's best years are behind him. 

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, DPardue said:

And because of these hits, Cam's true age as a QB is probably well north of 30.  Given the frequency of hits he has absorbed, this isn't a typical 30 year old QB body; the age metrics used for typical QBs probably do not apply here.  Maybe he comes back and has a stellar season and redirects the trajectory of his career, which I certainly hope happens, but I think there are legitimate reasons to think that Cam's best years are behind him. 

Agreed, and that's why this feels like uncharted territory.

Maybe he does bounce back, I would certainly like to see it, but betting on "maybe's" in the NFL will get your burnt.

[rippadonn]

24 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Drew Brees has never been a dual threat QB in his life.

Brees has rushed for over 100 yards in a season once in his career, and that was year 2 of his career.

On top of that Brees has been sacked 291 times in his 19 year career....Cam 407, in his 9 years, and that was with only 5 total attempts last season.

Cam has been used as a battering ram, and has sustained more hits already in his 9 years than Drew has in his 19 years.

That's why many of us are skeptical, then add in the other side of 30, and his recent bow outs the last few years, and it doesn't paint a rosy picture....unless you are absolutely trying to make it so.

In college he was a running threat. Less so in the NFL. Drew had/has wheels. He became laser focused on speed reading, getting the ball out quick. He was one of my favorites before he became a vile, classless Ain't.

Lol, Cam as a battering ram?!? I wish. Since Chud left Cam has been more the nail and not the hammer. Cam like CMC and others are in an elite class as far as conditioning goes. Until I see different, I'll continue to assume that he is in tip top shape aside from the foot which was nowhere near the severity of Greg Olsens.

[ellis]

Rothlisberger is almost 38, coming off Tommy John surgery, and has the team’s full public support. 

I’m just reluctant to see the team piss away a quarterback at 31. Seems a little too soon.

[thefuzz]

19 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

In college he was a running threat. Less so in the NFL. Drew had/has wheels. He became laser focused on speed reading, getting the ball out quick. He was one of my favorites before he became a vile, classless Ain't.

Lol, Cam as a battering ram?!? I wish. Since Chud left Cam has been more the nail and not the hammer. Cam like CMC and others are in an elite class as far as conditioning goes. Until I see different, I'll continue to assume that he is in tip top shape aside from the foot which was nowhere near the severity of Greg Olsens.

Cam is a battering ram, and has been since he was drafted.  In fact, I could argue that he has been the biggest battering ram at QB in the history of the league...those things add up, I don't care how much you lift, run, and eat well....the same will happen to CMC...just part of the game.

Also, can you show me exactly how Cam's foot injury was a lesser injury than Greg's?  I'm very interested in that analysis.

You gonna talk about the real reason most of us are nervous?  The shoulder?  You know, the one with the arthritic condition that has caused him to be on pitch counts, take vet days, and miss games because of?

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, ellis said:

Rothlisberger is almost 38, coming off Tommy John surgery, and has the team’s full public support. 

I’m just reluctant to see the team piss away a quarterback at 31. Seems a little too soon.

They also owe him a TON of money.

If we cut Cam, we save 19M in cap space.

If the Steelers cut Ben they owe almost 44M.

No matter how we shake that, it matters.

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, ellis said:

Rothlisberger is almost 38, coming off Tommy John surgery, and has the team’s full public support. 

I’m just reluctant to see the team piss away a quarterback at 31. Seems a little too soon.

Their contracts are just a wee bit different

[ellis]

Their commitment to Rothlisberger has been steadfast for a long time. And he’s dealt with a lot of injuries. Stuck with him through a motorcycle accident. Stuck with him through some personal drama. He produced. That’s the bottom line. 

Right now, the contracts are different. Saving 19 million when you’re guaranteed nothing in return doesn’t seem like a smart idea. Unless you’re working under the assumption that he won’t produce at a high-level for the next five years. 

Maybe that’s where I disagree with some.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, ellis said:

Their commitment to Rothlisberger has been steadfast for a long time. And he’s dealt with a lot of injuries. Stuck with him through a motorcycle accident. Stuck with him through some personal drama. He produced. That’s the bottom line. 

Right now, the contracts are different. Saving 19 million when you’re guaranteed nothing in return doesn’t seem like a smart idea. Unless you’re working under the assumption that he won’t produce at a high-level for the next five years. 

Maybe that’s where I disagree with some.

5 years? 

[ellis]

He’s 30. I have no reason to believe he can’t produce at a high-level for five more years. Players get hurt, players recover. It happens.

I understand the reluctance. He’s been hurt. Just giving you my sense of how he will rebound. He’s doing it the right way now. The shoulder has had ample time. I wouldn’t say anything past five years. That’s my window.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, ellis said:

He’s 30. I have no reason to believe he can’t produce at a high-level for five more years. Players get hurt, players recover. It happens.

I understand the reluctance. He’s been hurt. Just giving you my sense of how he will rebound. He’s doing it the right way now. The shoulder has had ample time. I wouldn’t say anything past five years. That’s my window.

Tell me a realistic scenario where cam plays this season and gets a 5 year deal.