Carolina sticking with Cam

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

1:  Cam isn't healthy.

2:  Moving up for Burrow would crater the franchise over the next 3 years.

3:  I'm about the very best way I see this team contending for a Lombardi over the next 5-7 years, which is do a full rebuild, starting right now, and do it correctly.  Keeping Cam isn't doing it correctly, extending Shaq isn't doing it correctly, extending CMC this offseason isn't doing it correctly.  Now those are my opinions.

I think that is the very best way to get this franchise on the right track, if the rebuild is done correctly, although I seriously doubt that will happen so long as Tepper and Marty are up there on Mint St. playing together.

As to the tanking....well, we don't really have to try too hard at this point do we?  This team is awful.

So are you going to actually answer the question?

Tanking is a good way to ensure your team culture remains a dumpster fire. We didn't throw 60 million dollars around for a new head coach to settle for the same mediocrity we could have gotten by just keeping Rivera.

[Navy_football]

Curious...

What example is there of a team that actually tanked and won the Super Bowl within 5 years (rookie option period)? 

I'm looking for trading/cutting all of their talented vets, including their franchise QB. 

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Curious...

What example is there of a team that actually tanked and won the Super Bowl within 5 years (rookie option period)? 

I'm looking for trading/cutting all of their talented vets, including their franchise QB. 

There are two kinds of sports fans who believe intentional tanking is the answer to what ails their franchise, children, and manchildren.

[thefuzz]

Just now, TheRed said:

So are you going to actually answer the question?

Tanking is a good way to ensure your team culture remains a dumpster fire. We didn't throw 60 million dollars around for a new head coach to settle for the same mediocrity we could have gotten by just keeping Rivera.

What is your question?  Am I for tanking?  No, am I at this point all about trying to make sure that we are in the very best possibly situation for a high draft pick next year?  Yes.

That means saving 19M on Cam this year, cutting KK and taking the dead cap hit this year, not signing any free agents unless they are very cheap and short term deals.  Signing Moton right now and front loading the hell out of his contract.  Leaving CMC alone.

We don't have to try to tank, we are already there.  Let Cam go flourish, let our 3rd round QB take the wheel.  It's not that hard.

 

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Curious...

What example is there of a team that actually tanked and won the Super Bowl within 5 years (rookie option period)? 

I'm looking for trading/cutting all of their talented vets, including their franchise QB. 

Pssssst....we didn't tank.  We just have shitty front office personnel who put us in this position.

We are here now, make the best of it, while not destroying the future.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Curious...

What example is there of a team that actually tanked and won the Super Bowl within 5 years (rookie option period)? 

I'm looking for trading/cutting all of their talented vets, including their franchise QB. 

  If that’s the standard, every single move or plan this organization has tried is a failure. Ever. 

   Just like 97% of NFL teams plans are.failures every year.. 

  The Colts tanked for Luck and we in the AFCCG in his 3rd year. If they had a competent GM who knows what happens(sound familiar)

  We will see about Miami from last year. But it sure didn’t ruin the culture considering they still had as good a record as CAR. 
 

   Since this idea became a reality when the rookie deals were controlled, those are the only two I remember. 

[OneBadCat]

20 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

1:  Cam isn't healthy.

2:  Moving up for Burrow would crater the franchise over the next 3 years.

3:  I'm about the very best way I see this team contending for a Lombardi over the next 5-7 years, which is do a full rebuild, starting right now, and do it correctly.  Keeping Cam isn't doing it correctly, extending Shaq isn't doing it correctly, extending CMC this offseason isn't doing it correctly.  Now those are my opinions.

I think that is the very best way to get this franchise on the right track, if the rebuild is done correctly, although I seriously doubt that will happen so long as Tepper and Marty are up there on Mint St. playing together.

As to the tanking....well, we don't really have to try too hard at this point do we?  This team is awful.

 

In my humble opinion;

Best way to rebuild the team is to see if you still have a franchise QB that's already on the roster. One that  doesn't cost anything and doesn't cost draft capital . Thats the biggest problem solved. Then we rebuild the trenches. CMC is the best RB in the game. When would you want him extended? Seems like the longer we wait the more he will cost.

There are pieces of this team that are still great. Gutting and erasing that just because is counter productive. Biggest thing we need to fix right now is the interior d-line, and make sure our QB's blindside is protected.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, OneBadCat said:

 

In my humble opinion;

Best way to rebuild the team is to see if you still have a franchise QB that's already on the roster. One that  doesn't cost anything and doesn't cost draft capital . Thats the biggest problem solved. Then we rebuild the trenches. CMC is the best RB in the game.

There are pieces of this team that are still great. Gutting and erasing that just because is counter productive. Biggest thing we need to fix right now is the interior d-line, and make sure our QB's blindside is protected.

What pieces on this team are, as you say, great?

There is 1 position group on the entire team that is in good shape.

All of the rest have huge question marks all around them.

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

 

let our 3rd round QB take the wheel.

Um, have you seen him play?

If you were an NFL player in the prime of your career would you want to saddle yourself to that?

You aren't thinking all that clearly tbh.

[thefuzz]

Just now, TheRed said:

Um, have you seen him play?

If you were an NFL player in the prime of your career would you want to saddle yourself to that?

You aren't thinking all that clearly tbh.

If I were an NFL player, in the prime of my career, I wouldn't want to play for the Carolina Panthers next season.

And yes, of course I have seen him play, of course I know he sucks, of course I want a top 3 draft pick next season, which I feel sure that Marty's boy can deliver....hell, Marty's last boy did the same thing.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

If I were an NFL player, in the prime of my career, I wouldn't want to play for the Carolina Panthers next season.

And yes, of course I have seen him play, of course I know he sucks, of course I want a top 3 draft pick next season, which I feel sure that Marty's boy can deliver....hell, Marty's last boy did the same thing.

We finished on an 8 game losing streak and still couldn't lockdown a top 5 pick.

Just because you want it to work a certain way by no means guarantees it actually will.

Washington was better than us last year and kicked our asses and they still managed to work their way into the 3rd overall pick.

The Dolphins who actually traded players and looked like the worst team in the league at one point could only navigate to the 5th pick.

Again. If you are hanging your hat on this stuff it doesn't sound like winning is or will be much of a priority for you. Panthers fans still haven't even witnessed back to back winning seasons yet. But keep talking about tanking I guess.

[Navy_football]

13 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  If that’s the standard, every single move or plan this organization has tried is a failure. Ever. 

   Just like 97% of NFL teams plans are.failures every year.. 

  The Colts tanked for Luck and we in the AFCCG in his 3rd year. If they had a competent GM who knows what happens(sound familiar)

  We will see about Miami from last year. But it sure didn’t ruin the culture considering they still had as good a record as CAR. 
 

   Since this idea became a reality when the rookie deals were controlled, those are the only two I remember. 

Right, so no team has ever tanked and gotten to the Super Bowl within 5 years of tanking? So why would the Panthers do it? 

I just would like to see this whole idea that the team needs to be bad so they can get Lawrence or Fields or whoever stop. It does not get you to where you want to be. It's proven not to work. 

 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Right, so no team has ever tanked and gotten to the Super Bowl within 5 years of tanking? So why would the Panthers do it? 

I just would like to see this whole idea that the team needs to be bad so they can get Lawrence or Fields or whoever stop. It does not get you to where you want to be. It's proven not to work. 

 

So 0 for 1 Is an appropriate sample size. OK

  What’s the plan otherwise. I guarantee someone has tried the same thing before. And failed. No matter the plan. Who’s the QB going forward? How do you get him? 

[teeray]

Just now, Toomers said:

So 0 for 1 Is an appropriate sample size. OK

  What’s the plan otherwise. I guarantee someone has tried the same thing before. And failed. No matter the plan. Who’s the QB going forward? How do you get him? 

We already have him