Carolina sticking with Cam

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

I don’t see the downside here. If Cam comes back and proves he can last a few more years, we are good. If he comes back and immediately goes down, we are in the running for Lawrence or whoever. 

If Cam plays 9 games, we win 5 of them, and the shoulder goes out again, was there no downside?

We just lost out on rolling over 19M in cap space to 2021, we likely lost out on drafting one of the top 2 QB's (as we sit today), and the team is once again drafting in the 6-10 spot with yet another wasted season.

It would be once again, toying with a rebuild, but scared to death to actually do the rebuild.

There is a plus, and that could be Cam stays healthy, looks great, makes all the throws, never misses a practice and we sign him to a long term deal while building the team around him for a late career Super Bowl push....a la Elway.  My faith in this happening is almost zero though.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, teeray said:

You're still willing to die on that hill lol? 

You're still willing to revisit it as if it meant anything.

4 minutes ago, teeray said:

We pay the bills so that isn't true. 

If I pay to see a magic act, are they obligated to listen to me suggest how they should do their tricks despite the fact that I am not now nor ever have been a professional magician?

Last time I checked, football isn't a democracy and nobody takes opinion polls before they make football decisions.

Not should they.

Go back to the draft you're referencing. Would you have wanted that decision to be put to a vote from the general fanbase?

If you found out the majority of the fanbase (which, contrary to opinion, is not represented by this board) wanted to let Newton go, would you still agree the team should listen to the fans?

Professionals should do their jobs based on what they know, not on the opinion of amateurs.

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

In this situation, those who are Cam Newton die hards take anything less than praise and 100% commitment to Cam Newton as blasphemy.  They do not get the gray area or the business side.  They have to have good guys and bad guys--life is simpler that way.  And if they can make you into the villain, it makes them the hero---they are textbook.

Everyone but you and your angry old man ilk are totally biased, right?

[slumdogmillionaire]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

A) Howell cannot come out next year (unless its out of the closet)

B) Godalmighty if you honestly think that

You said if we keep Cam it will push the process back a year.  And I said that’s fine if Cam shows not to be healthy after a season and we miss out on the TL Fields draft then we can wait til the following draft and get Howell.  So read and understand I said getting Howell in 2022 draft will be better than TL or Fields in 2021.

 

Howell will be a lot better than TL....Howell will be a better smarter version of Brees.  Lawrence is Gabbert and Fields is Tyrod Taylor.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, slumdogmillionaire said:

Howell will be a better smarter version of Brees.  

I'm a huge UNC fan and I absolutely think Howell has superstar potential, but holy poo.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm a huge UNC fan and I absolutely think Howell has superstar potential, but holy poo.

I actually like what I've seen of Howell but I can't get on board with that.

That's got "massive homer take" written all over it.

[SmokinwithWilly]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can't speak for everybody, but to me, that's what players do. Hell, I did it in high school. People I played alongside did it too. It's expected so that doesn't piss me off.

Now, if you want to talk about coaches who can easily see what the rest of us see but acting like they don't see it, then we can talk.

I'm as competitive as the next guy, and I definitely played when I shouldn't have though I didnt know better at the time. Concussions, so much we didnt know back then. 

I look at it a little differently now maybe and with age comes a change in perspective and that may be the difference. 

[teeray]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're still willing to revisit it as if it meant anything.

If I pay to see a magic act, are they obligated to listen to me suggest how they should do their tricks despite the fact that I am not now nor ever have been a professional magician?

Last time I checked, football isn't a democracy and nobody takes opinion polls before they make football decisions.

Not should they.

Go back to the draft you're referencing. Would you have wanted that decision to be put to a vote from the general fanbase?

If you found out the majority of the fanbase (which, contrary to opinion, is not represented by this board) wanted to let Newton go, would you still agree the team should listen to the fans?

Professionals should do their jobs based on what they know, not on the opinion of amateurs.

You can make good football decisions without pissing off your fans no? They aren't mutually exclusive. 

Ask George Shinn how being out of touch with fans went in Charlotte. 

And I revisit Narwocki because it speaks to your "GPS" that you so patronizingly claim to have that others don't. 

Despite numerous people telling you that Narwocki's report was "bullsh*t" you chose to defend it, Narwocki, and in turn use that report to bolster your resistance against drafting Cam Newton. 

So... yeah forgive me if I don't immediately defer to your "GPS" of what is "good" and "bad" reporting

[rippadonn]

I think we can all agree that this whole Cam/anti-Cam thing has all of us at each other's throats. It's divisive, and destructive. This new ownership seems clumsy and ham handed in its approach to a very nuanced task at hand. They've completely bungled it, PR wise, staff wise.

I'm just happy seing ABCrs squirm and backtrack. I'm in the keep Cam, rebuild everything else camp but if this was handled correctly even I could approve. Instead it's a PR nightmare with promises of a horrible product. Not good for PROFESSIONAL football. Nobody is gonna watch JV football.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm as competitive as the next guy, and I definitely played when I shouldn't have though I didnt know better at the time. Concussions, so much we didnt know back then. 

I look at it a little differently now maybe and with age comes a change in perspective and that may be the difference. 

I'm not exactly a young man 

I confess I'm still pretty peeved with the way Ron Rivera handled Cam Newton in general.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not exactly a young man 

I confess I'm still pretty peeved with the way Ron Rivera handled Cam Newton in general.

Words cant fully Express how pissed I was at the level of incompetence regarding Cam and that injury, not just Rivera. 

As far as being old, I dont know about you but I've been 29 for a good long time now.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, teeray said:

You can make good football decisions without pissing off your fans no? They aren't mutually exclusive. 

Ask George Shinn how being out of touch with fans went in Charlotte. 

And I revisit Narwocki because it speaks to your "GPS" that you so patronizingly claim to have that others don't. 

Despite numerous people telling you that Narwocki's report was "bullsh*t" you chose to defend it, Narwocki, and in turn use that report to bolster your resistance against drafting Cam Newton. 

So... yeah forgive me if I don't immediately defer to your "GPS" of what is "good" and "bad" reporting

You can do whatever you want. I don't really care.

Bottom Line: Professionals are professionals for a reason. the notion that they should listen to the opinion of amateurs on how to do their job is silly.

Likewise, reporters report what they hear and interpret it accordingly. Sometimes they're wrong, but it's not always their fault when it happens. You have to be smart enough to know the difference.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Words cant fully Express how pissed I was at the level of incompetence regarding Cam and that injury, not just Rivera. 

As far as being old, I dont know about you but I've been 29 for a good long time now.

I've been 52 for just under a year 

And honestly, it's not just this latest injury. Rivera trotted Newton out on the field more than once when he shouldn't have.

I get that he wanted to keep his job, but a lot of people believe that he shortened Newton's career in the process.

[teeray]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can do whatever you want. I don't really care.

Bottom Line: Professionals are professionals for a reason. the notion that they should listen to the opinion of amateurs on how to do their job is silly.

Likewise, reporters report what they hear and interpret it accordingly. Sometimes they're wrong, but it's not always their fault when it happens. You have to be smart enough to know the difference.

And you weren't with Narwocki, so don't patronize others and imply they aren't your intellectual equal. Or aren't "smart" enough to know the difference. 

You weren't smart enough. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.