Carolina sticking with Cam

[ickmule]

Y'all realize this goes against what Tepper has been saying all along don't you? They have no idea if Cam is 100% yet and they have been telling us for months they have no idea what they will do until he is known to be 100%. This is another BS article. 

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Pretty much. I honestly don't know what the hell they call them nowadays lol. My point is I'm done believing him and I'm waiting for David Tepper's statements. I doubt a decision was made before a physical comes back. 

Tepper said point blank a week or two ago that he’s waiting for him to be healthy. Can’t remember the exact words but it seemed like it was a hey guys we can’t tell you anything until we know he’s healthy.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

Tepper said point blank a week or two ago that he’s waiting for him to be healthy. Can’t remember the exact words but it seemed like it was a hey guys we can’t tell you anything until we know he’s healthy.

If, big if, you are to believe the news coming out today, he is still a long ways out.  Thats just his foot, who knows about his shoulder.  Panthers are in a pickle

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This has long been my question as well.

At first we were told that he didn't require surgery to repair the Lisfranc injury.  Then he had to...but waiting as long as possible to do so, and still fit it within the timeframe needed to be able to play week 1.

We have heard (though with no evidence) that Cam doesn't like surgery, and that he would rather rehab than get cut on...and I believe that, anyone does, but to what extent is that the case?

I'd be really curious to know what Rhule, and more importantly Tepper truly feel about Cam's decision to push back the surgery?  Is there any love/faith lost because of it?  Are they totally fine with it since it's the players decision to get cut on or not?  Just a curiosity at this point.

The part that I really find odd is that when he went and consulted with the foot specialist that used to work for the Panthers, that guy told him he didn't need surgery.

Then a few months later, we get the announcement that he's having surgery.

Not sure what to make of that.

[OneBadCat]

Cam does take some blame with waiting on the surgery, but he did see someone that told him it wasn't necessary at first. Secondly, maybe if Rivera wasn't a dumbass and used his eyes like everyone else, he would have seen that Cam could not physically play the first two weeks. He could have been shut down earlier and Cam would have had surgery earlier.

[Pantherzack179812]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Wrong.

And dude, chill out. They're not reporting on world affairs here. It's sports. Nobody's trying to be Walter Cronkite.

I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post...

Sometimes teams change their minds.

Sometimes players change their minds.

Sometimes agents deliberately put out misinformation to help their clients.

Sometimes teams deliberately put out misinformation to help themselves.

Sometimes circumstances change and what a team or player wanted to do isn't the best thing to do anymore.

Any one of these things and a dozen more can cause storylines to change, and none of them are the fault of the people that report them.

Sports reporting involves a lot of speculation and a huge amount of going by what you're told. That's just the nature of the business.

Thinking that's a sign of some kind of crisis in journalistic integrity is silly.

I don't see that as declaring Newton the starter as Rapoport did. He literally said the team is optimistic for Cam's health (could be for a higher return on a trade) and he said Rhule is having a report at 2PM today. He didn't say new what Ian Rapoport said.

I'm not stressed bro lol. I don't think anyone changed their mind, Tepper said in December Cam's health was the factor. 

[MechaZain]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

A couple of months ago, Albert Breer put his value at two second rounders.

With the news now that he might not be healthy for months, I doubt you could even get that.

At this point, if the Panthers trade Newton, it won't be because they believe they'll get a return that will allow them to rebuild the franchise. It'll be more likely that they're just moving on and want to get something.

Like I said before, this is a lousy offseason to have to trade a quarterback.

This was always the case and why the trade speculation was misguided from the very beginning.

It was never realistic that another team would be willing to gamble significantly on his health when the Panthers clearly weren't.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, OneBadCat said:

Cam does take some blame with waiting on the surgery, but he did see someone that told him it wasn't necessary at first. Secondly, maybe if Rivera wasn't a dumbass and used his eyes like everyone else, he would have seen that Cam could not physically play the first two weeks. He could have been shut down earlier and Cam would have had surgery earlier.

Rivera knew. How could he not?

He's bullsh-tting because he knows how bad it would look if he played Newton knowing it was injured.

[teeray]

This was nice to wake up to. 

 

*insert Dats my quarterback meme*

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I don't see that as declaring Newton the starter as Rapoport did. He literally said the team is optimistic for Cam's health (could be for a higher return on a trade) and he said Rhule is having a report at 2PM today. He didn't say new what Ian Rapoport said.

I'm not stressed bro lol. I don't think anyone changed their mind, Tepper said in December Cam's health was the factor. 

They changed their mind when it became clear he isnt healthy.  They have no options other than keep him and wait or cut him.

 

Is the March workout day still on?

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera knew. How could he not?

He's bullsh-tting because he knows how bad it would look if he played Newton knowing it was injured.

It was beyond obvious. Just like the start of 2017. Obvious that his shoulder wasn’t 100%. Just like 2018, everyone knew he couldn’t throw deep. Rivera was trying to keep his job.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, MechaZain said:

This was always the case and why the trade speculation was misguided from the very beginning.

It was never realistic that another team would be willing to gamble significantly on his health when the Panthers clearly weren't.

The narrative on his health hasn't been consistent though.

The initial belief was that he'd only be out six weeks or so. And remember that prior to the deadline, it was reported that at least ten teams would be willing to trade for him even though his status was up in the air.

But then we had the reports from Jason LaCanfora and Joe Person that he was going to be out longer than that, and potentially way longer. Those reports turned out to be true.

Likewise, you had the verdict from the foot specialist that he didn't need surgery. A few months later, he's having surgery.

There are very few people who know all the facts of what's happening, and some of those people are sending out conflicting messages.

It's just a weird, weird story right now.

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The part that I really find odd is that when he went and consulted with the foot specialist that used to work for the Panthers, that guy told him he didn't need surgery.

Then a few months later, we get the announcement that he's having surgery.

Not sure what to make of that.

Do we know for sure that's what he was told?  Not calling either side a liar, but Dr.'s can't really release that info, only the patient can...correct?

The timing of all of this couldn't be worse.

[thefuzz]

16 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Pretty much. I honestly don't know what the hell they call them nowadays lol. My point is I'm done believing him and I'm waiting for David Tepper's statements. I doubt a decision was made before a physical comes back. 

The lesson here, is don't believe anyone in the NFL, around the NFL, or who played in the NFL, especially this time of year.

Take what they say, and file it away, come up with your own opinions and try to take emotion out of it, that's the very best way to handle these things.