Combine thread

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

He constantly bullied SEC OLmen,  many guys that will be drafted. Combine has a legit PED test, I was just curious cause I did not except him to have a terrible combine. He had the third worst 3-cone out of 300 guys there. Hed be the first to have those numbers and drafted top 7.

Checkout this-  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/nfl-combine-results.cgi

Worst one in history. 

I think "terrible" is more than a bit exaggerated. He didn't do well on the shuttle and 3 Cone. His 10 yard split was adequate, as was his bench, vertical, long jump, etc. I wouldn't get too carried away about him not testing out as a freak athlete as an interior lineman. 

Similarly, your comment about him not being able to use strength to beat linemen at the NFL level is true. However, he doesn't have major issues with technique or motor. Is it disappointing that he isn't an elite athlete? Sure. Do I think it will keep him from being a Pro Bowl caliber interior lineman? Absolutely not. 

Additionally, he supposedly tested better at his pro day(as you would expect).

[Toomers]

13 minutes ago, Basbear said:

He constantly bullied SEC OLmen,  many guys that will be drafted. Combine has a legit PED test, I was just curious cause I did not expect him to have a terrible combine. He had the third worst 3-cone out of 300 guys there. Hed be the first to have those numbers and drafted top 7.

Checkout this-  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/nfl-combine-results.cgi

Worst one in history. 

Like he said, which is it? He isn’t athletic enough, because of one drill in his yoga pants, or he’s so good at his actual job that you are now accusing him of PED use? Do you understand how PEDa work? 
 

    But whatever keeps him out of Carolina it’s fine by me. 

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I think "terrible" is more than a bit exaggerated. He didn't do well on the shuttle and 3 Cone. His 10 yard split was adequate, as was his bench, vertical, long jump, etc. I wouldn't get too carried away about him not testing out as a freak athlete as an interior lineman. 

Similarly, your comment about him not being able to use strength to beat linemen at the NFL level is true. However, he doesn't have major issues with technique or motor. Is it disappointing that he isn't an elite athlete? Sure. Do I think it will keep him from being a Pro Bowl caliber interior lineman? Absolutely not. 

Additionally, he supposedly tested better at his pro day(as you would expect).

For a top ten player it was terrible. There where others-

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However, all of his measured, on-field work was historically bad. His 8.22 3-cone placed in the third -- yes, third -- percentile among defensive tackles. His vertical? 22nd percentile at the position. His broad jump was a respectable but far from super-impressive 66th percentile. His short shuttle time of 4.79 -- 18th percentile. Ndamukong Suh -- a trendy comparison for the Auburn star -- was light years more athletic than Brown when he tested at the combine in 2010. 

It looked like he didnt even train for the combine. That could mean either he didnt care or just isnt a athlete, either is a major concern/flag. IMO if drafting in the top ten, you need a top ten combine and Brown didnt deliver on that at all. The bust rate for his combine is awful high. Youre been around, he tested like Quinton Coples. In fact Coples tested better and was drafted 6th overall. Brown made it look easy tossing around SEC OLmen, using mainly strength. He didnt use his hands or technique or motor, just bull rushed mofos. He will have to adjust and being a elite tested athlete helps that plenty.   

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Basbear said:

For a top ten player it was terrible. There where others-

It looked like he didnt even train for the combine. That could mean either he didnt care or just isnt a athlete, either is a major concern/flag. IMO if drafting in the top ten, you need a top ten combine and Brown didnt deliver on that at all. The bust rate for his combine is awful high. Youre been around, he tested like Quinton Coples. In fact Coples tested better and was drafted 6th overall. Brown made it look easy tossing around SEC OLmen, using mainly strength. He didnt use his hands or technique or motor, just bull rushed mofos. He will have to adjust and being a elite tested athlete helps that plenty.   

I am just going to disagree. I am not sure you are interpreting the tape correctly if you are seeing poor technique or lack of motor. I would suggest you check that out again with a little less focus on his combine numbers.

Also, you might want to check the top 20 3 Cone and Shuttle times from 2000 to 2020 for DT's. You will see a definitive lack of elite NFL talent. As I said, I wouldn't get too carried away with the numbers. 

[Basbear]

12 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Like he said, which is it? He isn’t athletic enough, because of one drill in his yoga pants, or he’s so good at his actual job that you are now accusing him of PED use? Do you understand how PEDa work? 
 

    But whatever keeps him out of Carolina it’s fine by me. 

Its more than one, its a few. All listed above in words or links. He just didnt have the combine that a top ten guy should have had, especially after his very impressive tape. Im very aware of PEDs and been around them to see the effects. SEC is closest thing to NFL, Brown was the uncle at family gathering playing with kids.  

[45catfan]

I tried to find Brown's Pro Day numbers, but apparently only did positional drills.  Hurney was in attendance as was every team from #3 (Detroit) to us.  Needless to say, the Skins and Bengals are looking elsewhere.

[Basbear]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am just going to disagree. I am not sure you are interpreting the tape correctly if you are seeing poor technique or lack of motor. I would suggest you check that out again with a little less focus on his combine numbers.

Also, you might want to check the top 20 3 Cone and Shuttle times from 2000 to 2020 for DT's. You will see a definitive lack of elite NFL talent. As I said, I wouldn't get too carried away with the numbers. 

Bull rush/bully was his main/about only game. You dont need technique if you can impose your will across form you. I saw never little hand movement, just stick them on the guys chest and push him around. 

Could you name 5 DLmen that win constantly with strength/power every week? I can only think of one maybe two and they are great technicians

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Its more than one, its a few. All listed above in words or links. He just didnt have the combine that a top ten guy should have had, especially after his very impressive tape. Im very aware of PEDs and been around them to see the effects. SEC is closest thing to NFL, Brown was the uncle at family gathering playing with kids.  

The fact that you just seem to be taking cheap shots tells me you just have some bone to pick with him rather than constructive criticisms.

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

I tried to find Brown's Pro Day numbers, but apparently only did positional drills.  Hurney was in attendance as was every team from #3 (Detroit) to us.  Needless to say, the Skins and Bengals are looking elsewhere.

He didnt do 3-cone, but did later and posted it on twatter with the captions"Alright people get out your stop watches, lols" People said it was anywhere form 7.5 to 7.8 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Its more than one, its a few. All listed above in words or links. He just didnt have the combine that a top ten guy should have had, especially after his very impressive tape. Im very aware of PEDs and been around them to see the effects. SEC is closest thing to NFL, Brown was the uncle at family gathering playing with kids.  

Yet in spite of that he is being judged on exercising. Not what he actually has done in 4 years. 
 

  And now we are bringing in theories like he doesn’t play with his hands? Motor? Please. You haven’t watched or simply don’t understand what you are seeing if you think any of that is true? 
 

  As for the PEDs, do they ONLY make him stronger. Do they make him less athletic? Does he just take them before games? Do you think he(or any player) throws people around without leverage(from hand use and technique)? Expect the amount of times he does it. 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

He didnt do 3-cone, but did later and posted it on twatter with the captions"Alright people get out your stop watches, lols" People said it was anywhere form 7.5 to 7.8 

The couple of links I tried about Auburn's Pro Day didn't have much of anything as far as numbers.  It did say what VIPs were in attendance though.  If that is true about his 3-cone, then he did improve. 

[Basbear]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The fact that you just seem to be taking cheap shots tells me you just have some bone to pick with him rather than constructive criticisms.

Not my intent. I said he top five tape and tossed people around like the uncle playing football with kids. Quoted his numbers across the combine drills and they compared to peers show he had a poor showing, especially going into with top 3-5 hopes.

I know about another Brown, Orlando Brown that had the worst combine in history and became a good RT for the Ravens. The difference is he was a 3rd rounder and not a top 7 pick.  

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Not my intent. I said he top five tape and tossed people around like the uncle playing football with kids. Quoted his numbers across the combine drills and they compared to peers show he had a poor showing, especially going into with top 3-5 hopes.

I know about another Brown, Orlando Brown that had the worst combine in history and became a good RT for the Ravens. The difference is he was a 3rd rounder and not a top 7 pick.  

IMO you are just fixating too much on the numbers at a position where that is not as critical. Not to mention I think you are definitely seeing something a lot different on tape than most others are. I would strongly encourage you to take another look and try to be a little more objective. 

[LinvilleGorge]

What sold me on Brown more than anything else was draftable SEC OL after draftable SEC OL nearly to a man saying he was their toughest match up. That speaks volumes.