REPORT: Lions GM Willing to Trade Out of #3 Overall Pick

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Happy Panther said:

How many times has Hurney traded up in the first round?

   Otah, Brown, pick #33 for ARMANTI,

  Plus Little cost the value of one. And many picks were already high enough from a 23% success rate, there was no need. 
 

  I’m sure version 3.0 will be different. 

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I don’t agree with you much, but I do here. If we are trading Cam, I’m building up non-QB talent this year and letting Grier take us to the promised land. If I am trying to tank, I’m going for guys like Lawrence and Fields/a much stronger QB class led my guys with multiple years of high level play. I don’t really believe in Burrow at this point and I’m not throwing lots of draft capital at a guy who’s already an injury risk and not a guy I put above the 2021 guys.

Let’s put it this way. If I am parting ways with Cam (love him but don’t see 2015 coming back), I’m going for someone who could be a legit stud, a potential Peyton Manning level QB. I’m not settling so to speak. We are going to suck for a couple years, might as well try to make it worthwhile. 

This is 100% where I find myself.

Fix the team, cap, and front office, then go after the QB next year....those two could very well be worth losing 14 next season, if the team set's itself up nicely to take advantage.

Them not extending Moton, them extending Shaq, and our possible CMC extension means we aren't going to put ourselves in the best positions though...same ole same ole.

[Happy Panther]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

   Otah, Brown, pick #33 for ARMANTI,

  Plus Little cost the value of one. And many picks were already high enough from a 23% success rate, there was no need. 
 

  I’m sure version 3.0 will be different. 

You know you can google things?

So once.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

We have traded down the last two years just not in the first round. We traded down in the first round in 2007 and took Beason at #25.

In which rounds? Because we traded up for Little last year which would have come first before the "trade down." And boy, 2007 seems like a life time ago. So the last time we traded down in the 1st I was a sophomore in high school and just turning 17. Damn that's crazy. But like I said everyone who is clamoring for a trade down are going to be disappointed. That's just not what Hurney does

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

You know you can google things?

So once.

Really? Who was the teams first round pick in 2010? Where did it go to? What did it cost to acquire Brown. And we are discussing premium picks and high 2nd rounders qualify. Does it make those moves any less horrible if you squeeze them into a different category and pretend they didn’t happen. 

[Happy Panther]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Really? Who was the teams first round pick in 2010? Where did it go to? What did it cost to acquire Brown. And we are discussing premium picks and high 2nd rounders qualify. Does it make those moves any less horrible if you squeeze them into a different category and pretend they didn’t happen. 

I asked how many times we have traded up in the first round.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

1 hour ago, Happy Panther said:

I was just correcting the claim that Hurney never trades down. I like to agree on facts before getting into a discussion.

Sure, you "corrected" me if you want to call it that go for it. We traded back in the first round what once in the last 20 years and maybe 3 times overall? How many times has Hurney traded up for project players that never pan out? I'd say that happens just about every single draft. So again the people who are clamoring for a trade back to acquire more picks might want to go root for a different team because this one simply does not do it

[Happy Panther]

10 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

In which rounds? Because we traded up for Little last year which would have come first before the "trade down"

2018 was pick 88 for 101 and 147 which later became 147 and 197 for 136.

2019 we traded down for Daley in the 6th.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, Happy Panther said:

I asked how many times we have traded up in the first round.

   And I asked is their a point or difference that makes in any discussion. Ever? Please tell us how just one trade being technically in your personal window changes the other failures. 
 

  Did Everette Brown cost a 1st round pick? Yes or no?

 Did Edwards cost the first pick in the 2nd round? Yes or no. 
 

  Just get to the point if you ever had one?
 

  

[Happy Panther]

4 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Sure, you "corrected" me if you want to call it that go for it. We traded back in the first round what once in the last 20 years and maybe 3 times overall? How many times has Hurney traded up for project players that never pan out? I'd say that happens just about every single draft. So again the people who are clamoring for a trade back to acquire more picks might want to go root for a different team because this one simply does not do it

We have also traded up once in the first round. So hardly evidence that Hurney never trades down.

As for three times in the last twenty years I'm not going back through each draft. I just looked at the last two years and the obvious Beason trade. I'm sure Hurney has traded down elsewhere. Also it 13 years under Hurney.

 

[Happy Panther]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

   And I asked is their a point or difference that makes in any discussion. Ever? Please tell us how just one trade being technically in your personal window changes the other failures. 
 

  Did Everette Brown cost a 1st round pick? Yes or no?

 Did Edwards cost the first pick in the 2nd round? Yes or no. 
 

  Just get to the point if you ever had one?
 

  

I asked how may times we have traded UP in the first. You provided the answer of one. Thanks.

My point is Hurney doesn't seem to have any propensity to only trade up as mojo suggests. 

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

I asked how may times we have traded UP in the first. You provided the answer of one. Thanks.

My point is Hurney doesn't seem to have any propensity to only trade up as mojo suggests. 

Except the 4 major trade ups that were shown as opposed to one trade down. All which happened since that trade down. All were failures or headed that way.  Is 4 to 1 not enough. And now you won’t go back and look(facts?) but you’re sure there is more. Right? 
 

   If it helps, the problem was as bad, if not worse under Gettleman. 

[Happy Panther]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Except the 4 major trade ups that were shown as opposed to one trade down. All which happened since that trade down. All were failures or headed that way.  Is 4 to 1 not enough. And now you won’t go back and look(facts?) but you’re sure there is more. Right? 
 

 

I am not commenting on the success of Hurney's picks. 

If you want to know what I think we should do with pick #7 go to the second post in this thread.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

I am not commenting on the success of Hurney's picks. 

If you want to know what I think we should do with pick #7 go to the second post in this thread.

And it got brought up that Hurney has traded down early in the draft only once as opposed to trading up many times. You seemed to take issue with the FACTS and wanted to cherrypick it down to one? Why? You say you want trade down so what was your point in all this? It went from got to be exact to you saying you were sure there was more there but weren’t going to take time to look at it. Sort of strange since we had to get our facts straight before any discussion. One which you seem hesitant to have.