(Updated) Combine: Let's talk prospects

[davos]

Updated WRs, did some rankings of my own on them.

1. CeeDee Lamb 

2A. Jerry Jeudy 

2B. Henry Ruggs III

3. Jalen Reagor 

4. Brandon Aiyuk 

5. Justin Jefferson 

6. Tee Higgins 

7. KJ Hamler 

8. Denzel Mims 

9. Peoples-Jones 

10. Shenault *I don't get the buzz, not a huge fan 

11. Van Jefferson  

12. Bryan Edwards  

13. Tyler Johnson  

14. Collin Johnson

*Isaiah Hodgins as a late round sleeper

[ncfan]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

WR is a luxury pick, all things considered.  If our defense is still getting gashed, a WR isn't the chess piece we really need.  I don't see see our offense winning us ballgames regularly (see bailing out the defense) even with solid WR contribution.

In rd 3 WR is far from a luxury pick

 

You do realize that we are going to start 3 WR base on offense.  And our only WRs (if cut Wright)  will be Moore and Samuel (who has a injury history and is a FA next offseason)

So we dont even have enough WR to fill a starting lineup much less backups.  And im not trusting a lower priced FA as a starter.  

 

So as deep as a WR class as this is.  And the talent that may be around rd 3.

 

 

WR may be the top need and pick in rd 3

[45catfan]

21 minutes ago, ncfan said:

In rd 3 WR is far from a luxury pick

 

You do realize that we are going to start 3 WR base on offense.  And our only WRs (if cut Wright)  will be Moore and Samuel (who has a injury history and is a FA next offseason)

So we dont even have enough WR to fill a starting lineup much less backups.  And im not trusting a lower priced FA as a starter.  

 

So as deep as a WR class as this is.  And the talent that may be around rd 3.

 

 

WR may be the top need and pick in rd 3

If the class is so deep, why the rush?  I mean if a steal falls to us, then sure, but a deep class and numerous other holes seems to me a luxury.  We have some depth, but if you mean a 1B or an possible upgrade to Samuel, then yeah, the 2nd or 3rd round makes sense.  I simply don't see it as that big of a need.  If we take a day 3 WR, I'm okay, but I'm also okay if we skip completely too.  CMC is still going to get the bulk of the touches, so I'd rather pick a player that will be on the field and can directly affect plays most snaps and that would be on the defensive side of the ball or OL.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Then that player Hopefully becomes a tradable commodity.. Rosen did get Arizona 2 picks.  If the guy shows anything in the "tank" season.. We might get more.. It's not a bad strategy..

Maybe, but Miami gave pick 62 and a 5th round pick in 2020 for Rosen. Miami had the 11th pick right behind Arizona. Miami got pick 18 this year for Fitzpatrick. Arizona could either have Minkah Fitzpatrick or pick 18 this year instead of pick 62 in 2019 and a 5th this year. That’s not a good haul. If we have to trade Love we’d lose a ton of value.

Just start Grier instead of taking a flier on Rosen part 2 with pick 7. We’ll get a much better QB next year and have a stud from pick 7 to go along with him.

[stbugs]

6 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

If the class is so deep, why the rush?  I mean if a steal falls to us, then sure, but a deep class and numerous other holes seems to me a luxury.  We have some depth, but if you mean a 1B or an possible upgrade to Samuel, then yeah, the 2nd or 3rd round makes sense.  I simply don't see it as that big of a need.  If we take a day 3 WR, I'm okay, but I'm also okay if we skip completely too.  CMC is still going to get the bulk of the touches, so I'd rather pick a player that will be on the field and can directly affect plays most snaps and that would be on the defensive side of the ball or OL.

Drafting the deepest part of a draft class isn’t a bad thing. If you can get a guy who might be a 1st rounder another year (maybe as good as Calvin Ridley or N’keal Harry) at the top of the 3rd, go for it. That’s how you play BPA. Look at the interior of our OL. We just ignored G and C for two of the deepest interior OL draft classes. NO did not and they now have their Ryan Kalil for the next 10 years and we reached on a need at LT and we’ve got a maybe he’ll be OK.

[Captain Morgan]

breaking news...Bryan Edwards broke his foot and will miss the combine.  

 

 

[WOW!!]

10 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Maybe, but Miami gave pick 62 and a 5th round pick in 2020 for Rosen. Miami had the 11th pick right behind Arizona. Miami got pick 18 this year for Fitzpatrick. Arizona could either have Minkah Fitzpatrick or pick 18 this year instead of pick 62 in 2019 and a 5th this year. That’s not a good haul. If we have to trade Love we’d lose a ton of value.

Just start Grier instead of taking a flier on Rosen part 2 with pick 7. We’ll get a much better QB next year and have a stud from pick 7 to go along with him.

I'm up for any strategy that can accumulate assets at this point... If starting Grier or Allen Hopefully makes them a trading piece.. Cool.  If we are in full rebuild mode dumping salaries and accumulating assets is the most important this offseason... 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Drafting the deepest part of a draft class isn’t a bad thing. If you can get a guy who might be a 1st rounder another year (maybe as good as Calvin Ridley or N’keal Harry) at the top of the 3rd, go for it. That’s how you play BPA. Look at the interior of our OL. We just ignored G and C for two of the deepest interior OL draft classes. NO did not and they now have their Ryan Kalil for the next 10 years and we reached on a need at LT and we’ve got a maybe he’ll be OK.

I get the rationale, but it also depends on how the board falls. Let's say no huge steal for WR is there in the 3rd and we miss out on a DT in rounds one and two, do we take a WR just because the class is deep or take the next best DT who happens to have good value when we are on the clock?

Absolute BPA is applied in round 1, outside of that, the parameters get a little looser.  Generally speaking you still draft based on BPA, but glaring needs start really factoring in as well...as long as it doesn't necessitate a reach.  Again, round 3 or later I'm fine taking a WR, but won't be heart-broken if we skip over wideouts this draft either.

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

breaking news...Bryan Edwards broke his foot and will miss the combine.  

 

 

Should push him down to a 5th round option right?? Sorry for the injury but this could benefit us as Greg Hardy injuries and red flags did...

[45catfan]

7 minutes ago, Captain Morgan said:

breaking news...Bryan Edwards broke his foot and will miss the combine.  

 

 

Projected mid-rounder.  He may slip to the 6th or 7th now, possibly to undrafted.  If he goes undrafted, SIGN HIM!  I don't care if he has to "redshirt."  It's not like this season will be eventful anyway.

[davos]

Interesting new on Edwards.  I've seen people project him as high as R3. 

[stbugs]

7 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I get the rationale, but it also depends on how the board falls. Let's say no huge steal for WR is there in the 3rd and we miss out on a DT in rounds one and two, do we take a WR just because the class is deep or take the next best DT who happens to have good value when we are on the clock?

Absolute BPA is applied in round 1, outside of that, the parameters get a little looser.  Generally speaking you still draft based on BPA, but glaring needs start really factoring in as well...as long as it doesn't necessitate a reach.  Again, round 3 or later I'm fine taking a WR, but won't be heart-broken if we skip over wideouts this draft either.

We stink right now, part of the reason why I don’t mind if we trade Cam. We should 100% be thinking BPA. Our run D in 2020 isn’t going to kill us. To use your example. If there’s a WR at 69 that we’d grade in the 1st in 2021 versus a DT who is the next best but still grades a top of the 3rd DT, I’m taking that WR all day. Do we know for sure that Samuel will stay with us after 2020? I’d much rather take a player with a better chance to be a stud than a bigger need this year.

To use another example. If there’s a WR who we’d grade as better than Moore that’s around at 38, I’m taking him as well. Assuming he’s BPA is all I need. I’m also talking about real first round grades, not Marty thinking they are a 1st rounder.

[stbugs]

7 hours ago, WOW!! said:

I'm up for any strategy that can accumulate assets at this point... If starting Grier or Allen Hopefully makes them a trading piece.. Cool.  If we are in full rebuild mode dumping salaries and accumulating assets is the most important this offseason... 

Starting Grier just makes our picks better in 2021. Allen doesn’t appear to be in our plans. I definitely think we are in full rebuild mode. Only players that are going to be in their primes in the next 5 years should stick.

[Snake]

On 2/21/2020 at 10:37 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Not sure what to think of Fromm. I was very high on him after his rookie season but then he pretty much plateaued as a sophomore and then regressed as a junior. The physical tools are mediocre, but not necessarily red flag level. What red flags me is that he's always had a dominant running game to lean on, good talent at WR, and probably had the best OL in college football this season yet regressed anyway. Unless there's a good behind the scenes reason for that, that's a pretty significant red flag.

I don't see him as round one talent. 2nd round definitely and a 3rd round steal. With that said he will probably be over drafted.