Panthers owner to PSL owners: Success “won’t happen overnight”

[therealmjl]

5 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

I hope for your sake that you're a teenager and not a grown man, because your daily temper tantrums on these boards are funny, but pathetic. 

 

 

and who are you?

how is it a tantrum? it's just facts.

keep buying that company line though.

[Panther'sBigD]

35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/

 

Green Bay's was literally the last three seasons.

Look at those and see the losing seasons followed immediately by success. I can give you more examples of this, these are just the easy ones. 

The Steelers have went from 13-3 back to 8-8 in three seasons. They've been up and down the entire time Tomlin has been there, and in a division where they get to play the Browns and Bengals twice a year. They've also had the same ownership forever. 

Let's wait a year or two to see if LaFleur can sustain the success before we use them as an example.

 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

 

The Chiefs - You got me. If you can clone Andy Reid, and give us the draft picks and salary cap he inherited from years of suckage prior to his signing, I'll concede defeat. 

 

You mean the 11 playoff appearances and 15 winning seasons since 1995? Not really that much suckage when you compare that to the 8 playoff appearances and 7 winning seasons by the Panthers, is it? 

You mean the two years removed from a 10-6 record and playoff berth? That kind of suckage? Because that's where they were when Reid got there. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, ellis said:

Yea, that was never going to be a fun year. The idea, for some time, was Harbaugh/Luck would come in as a package deal—quite the consolation prize for a horrible 17 week ride. Luck stayed, Harbs went to SFO, JR hired Ron. 

Cam wasn’t a slam dunk, either. Dareus was given consideration for a time. Nick Fairley, too. Even Blaine Gabbert. But they did like Cam more than the media portrayed it. 

I remember the stories about Khary Darlington driving that train behind the scenes.

Side Note: Man, that was a lousy draft.

[ellis]

Drew Brees and Sean Payton strung together three consecutive 7-9 seasons before rebounding in 2017.

The formula? Keep the franchise QB, hit the jackpot in the draft, add mid-level FA contributors. 

[therealmjl]

@PanthersBigD acting like the Titans don't have more to be proud of over the past fews years than us. 

newsflash, guy - we've never even been able to say we have had back to back winning seasons.

also - Rams are on the way back down in your opinion. We'll see how that unfolds.

Seahawks "got lucky" with Pete Carroll? Did their owner promise years of suckage too?

[therealmjl]

Just now, ellis said:

Drew Brees and Sean Payton strung together three consecutive 7-9 seasons before rebounding in 2017.

The formula? Keep the franchise QB, hit the jackpot in the draft, add mid-level FA contributors. 

something Hurney has never proven the ability to do - 

hits on a single draft pick every year then completely busts out on the rest.

and let's not even discuss his FA "contributions"

[Sgt Schultz]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty sure Schwartz also said in that article that a lot of the players felt like Jimmy Clausen was being "forced on them".

I could well be wrong here, but I always got the impression Fox hated Moore.  Then again, I think if it had been up to Fox, Delhomme would have remained the starter unless he came out with his passing arm actually cut off.  So I think Fox had his finger on the Clausen trigger when the season started, and his lunacy in handling the concussion Moore suffered in the opening game tends to support that (support, not prove).

The problem in trying to put any rationale to that situation, though, is it was pretty obvious early on that JR was flipping Fox the bird and Fox was returning the favor.  Who was behind what gets pretty blurry in those situations, since everybody's primary objective is trying to put the screws to everybody else.

Sounds like some of the people I work with about half the time, actually!

[Panther'sBigD]

 

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean the 11 playoff appearances and 15 winning seasons since 1995? Not really that much suckage when you compare that to the 8 playoff appearances and 7 winning seasons by the Panthers, is it? 

You mean the two years removed from a 10-6 record and playoff berth? That kind of suckage? Because that's where they were when Reid got there. 

LOL, yes. Because their stellar 10-6 season where they lost in the wildcard round was preceded by records of 4-12, 2-14 & 4-12. 

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Panther'sBigD said:

The Steelers have went from 13-3 back to 8-8 in three seasons. They've been up and down the entire time Tomlin has been there, and in a division where they get to play the Browns and Bengals twice a year. They've also had the same ownership forever. 

Let's wait a year or two to see if LaFleur can sustain the success before we use them as an example.

 

You mean the 10 of 13 winning seasons kind of "up and down?" The 6 division titles? 2 Super bowl appearances and 1 victory? Man, give me that kind of up and down.

Why don't you check out Bill Cowher's up and down time there, as well. Hell, look at the year they got Roethlisberger and went from 6-10 to 15-1. 

That's the point I am making though. You see the shitstorm of QB's that they had to go through this year? You see them lose Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown? Still finished 8-8. You can claim an easy division but the NFC South was a cakewalk last year outside New Orleans. But we finished 5-11. 

Also, fun fact, the Pittsburgh Steelers have NEVER picked inside the top 5 of the draft while we have existed as a franchise. Funny how they end up with all that talent though....

 

[WOW!!]

21 minutes ago, ellis said:

Moore did get hurt. Concussion, week one. Started week 2 vs Tampa, and the entire offense was dreadful. Jimmy came in late, had a nice drive, but it stalled out. The rest was history.

Exactly.. That team had expectations and had a plan to try to win.. It just naturally feel apart.. That team was coming off a 8-8 season 2009 and a 12-4 season 2008.. They were trying to get back to winning with Matt Moore and hoping Clausen was the QB of the future.. Ppl don't seem to remember we were trying to win and lucked into Cam after the plan fell apart..

[Panther'sBigD]

5 minutes ago, mjligon said:

@PanthersBigD acting like the Titans don't have more to be proud of over the past fews years than us. 

newsflash, guy - we've never even been able to say we have had back to back winning seasons.

also - Rams are on the way back down in your opinion. We'll see how that unfolds.

Seahawks "got lucky" with Pete Carroll? Did their owner promise years of suckage too?

Just admit that your copy/paste job didn't do the trick you thought it would. There are tons of variables that go into teams turning around. The Titans have the same number of Super Bowl wins as the Panthers do. 

Newsflash guy: That's part of the reason why Tepper is trying a different approach. 

We will see how it unfolds for the Rams. They certainly weren't able to make the most of that basket they put all of their eggs in. 

The Seahawks had the same owner from 1997 through his death in 2018. It took them over five years to see success under Allen's ownership. Unless you count two 9-7 seasons as success. It takes time to build things. 

[therealmjl]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean the 10 of 13 winning seasons kind of "up and down?" The 6 division titles? 2 Super bowl appearances and 1 victory? Man, give me that kind of up and down.

Why don't you check out Bill Cowher's up and down time there, as well. Hell, look at the year they got Roethlisberger and went from 6-10 to 15-1. 

That's the point I am making though. You see the shitstorm of QB's that they had to go through this year? You see them lose Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown? Still finished 8-8. You can claim an easy division but the NFC South was a cakewalk last year outside New Orleans. But we finished 5-11. 

Also, fun fact, the Pittsburgh Steelers have NEVER picked inside the top 5 of the draft while we have existed as a franchise. Funny how they end up with all that talent though....

 

While we’re on the subject- 

worth mentioning Tepper was one of the minority owners leading the charge to can Tomlin....

yeah, not a good look

[Panther'sBigD]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

You mean the 10 of 13 winning seasons kind of "up and down?" The 6 division titles? 2 Super bowl appearances and 1 victory? Man, give me that kind of up and down.

Why don't you check out Bill Cowher's up and down time there, as well. Hell, look at the year they got Roethlisberger and went from 6-10 to 15-1. 

That's the point I am making though. You see the shitstorm of QB's that they had to go through this year? You see them lose Le'Veon Bell and Antonio Brown? Still finished 8-8. You can claim an easy division but the NFC South was a cakewalk last year outside New Orleans. But we finished 5-11. 

Also, fun fact, the Pittsburgh Steelers have NEVER picked inside the top 5 of the draft while we have existed as a franchise. Funny how they end up with all that talent though....

 

So what you're saying is, they're NOT an example of a quick turnaround. Got it. Thanks!