Panthers owner to PSL owners: Success “won’t happen overnight”

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Green bay has Rodgers holding that team together with tape. Will be much harder when they have to rebuild with out him.

Yeah, that's what they said when Brett Favre was given the boot. Funny thing, successful franchises that have good management and owners always seem to be able to find the next guy up. 

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

How many rebuilds has Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers been through?

Good franchises constantly build as they go, so they avoid rebuilding. Bad franchises are always rebuilding because they aren't capable of building properly. That's not an accident.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I can give a good example of what picking repeatedly in the top 5 of the draft looks like.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/

9 times in the past 25 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/

8 times in the past 25 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/

8 times in the past 25 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/

7 times in the past 25 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/

7 times in the past 25 seasons.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/

7 times in the past 25 seasons.

 

How is all that top 5 talent treating those franchises? 

It's not enough to pick high.

You also have to pick wisely.

Take the Browns. They perpetually suck because we'll, they're stupid. Plus they have the "lottery ticket" mentality that they can get rich quick by just picking the right GM or coach. If that guy hasn't taken you to the Super Bowl within two years, you just buy another ticket.

I'm not sold on Rhule (or Tepper, for that matter) but I am willing to give it enough time to truly determine just how good they can be.

[therealmjl]

5 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

How many rebuilds has Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers been through?

exactly...

like everyone thinks we have to completely gut this team and carve it up with a knife to turn it around. that isn't the model of success in today's nfl.

reload - not rebuild.

but tepper gonna do whatever big money tepper wants to do lol. remember, our coach built elite programs at temple and baylor. imagine what he can do here?

[ellis]

14 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

Yes. It’s not a coincidence they keep bringing up Rhule’s first years at both Temple and Baylor and how he turned those programs around. 

The Temple/Baylor selling point concerns some fans, along with the 7 years of combined NFL experience on staff. Marty Hurney’s continued involvement in personnel matters concerns folks, too. 

I’m certainly not calling you out, or the team for that matter. Just reiterating a general feeling amongst many fans out there. 

 

[WOW!!]

We are clear rebuilding and tanking are 2 different things right??

Rebuilding can happen and you still have a solid win lose record .. 

Tanking is losing for a specific player or purpose..

[therealmjl]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Good franchises constantly build as they go, so they avoid rebuilding. Bad franchises are always rebuilding because they aren't capable of building properly. That's not an accident.

and awful franchises keep the GM around forever, even though he played a huge part in getting you into the need to "rebuild" in the first place!

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, that's what they said when Brett Favre was given the boot. Funny thing, successful franchises that have good management and owners always seem to be able to find the next guy up. 

To get to that point though, you've got to build the organization for sustained success. Tepper understands that.

Now, whether or not he's capable of actually doing it is a whole other question.

[therealmjl]

Just now, ellis said:

The Temple/Baylor selling point concerns some fans, along with the 7 years of combined NFL experience on staff. Marty Hurney’s continued involvement in personnel matters concerns folks, too. 

I’m certainly not calling you out, or the team for that matter. Just reiterating a general feeling amongst many fans out there. 

 

Yup.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's not enough to pick high.

You also have to pick wisely.

Take the Browns. They perpetually suck because we'll, they're stupid. Plus they have the "lottery ticket" mentality that they can get rich quick by just picking the right GM or coach. If that guy hasn't taken you to the Super Bowl within two years, you just buy another ticket.

Yeah, and who is doing our picking? 

I rest my case, Mr. Scot. We aren't the Packers or the Steelers and right now that isn't what Tepper is building. He's building the Browns/Jags/Cardinals/Raiders. You want to see another 10+ years of Marty Hurney? How did that work out last time?

[RoaringRiot]

4 minutes ago, ellis said:

The Temple/Baylor selling point concerns some fans, along with the 7 years of combined NFL experience on staff. Marty Hurney’s continued involvement in personnel matters concerns folks, too. 

I’m certainly not calling you out, or the team for that matter. Just reiterating a general feeling amongst many fans out there. 

 

What would you be calling me out about? I haven’t endorsed tanking. Just pointing out that understanding their intentions isnt hard unless you just don’t want to believe it

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, ellis said:

The Temple/Baylor selling point concerns some fans, along with the 7 years of combined NFL experience on staff. Marty Hurney’s continued involvement in personnel matters concerns folks, too. 

I’m certainly not calling you out, or the team for that matter. Just reiterating a general feeling amongst many fans out there. 

My biggest concern right now is the Tepper believes in himself more than he should.

I've said it before: Few people have the potential to do as much damage as somebody who isn't really that smart, but in his mind, absolutely knows he is.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

To get to that point though, you've got to build the organization for sustained success. Tepper understands that.

Now, whether or not he's capable of actually doing it is a whole other question.

[Tbe]

20 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Yes I'm sure..They gave crazy contracts to all thier star players.. if you look at that roster it wasn't supposed to be as bad as it was... You still had a pro bowl LT, WR, RB, 2 LB .. Matt Moore was supposed to be better.. Clausen by most analysts wasn't supposed to be that big of a bust and that team got crushed by injuries... That tank happened naturally.. They were trying to be good and everything fell apart .

Read this...https://theathletic.com/1593799/2020/02/10/ten-years-after-a-tank-job-for-the-ages-the-panthers-are-likely-in-for-some-rebuilding-pains-again-in-2020/

 

They went into that year $26 mil under the cap. They cut a lot of vets and had the youngest roster in the league that year. 
 

Another quote from a player:

“I remember that year vividly because Foxy was on the way out, and he let us know he was on the way out,” Schwartz said. “We knew kind of what the goal of the season was as soon as they were pushing Jimmy Clausen on us.”