Panthers owner to PSL owners: Success “won’t happen overnight”

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, mjligon said:

And he's also never ran a football team...or hired a coach that has coached an NFL team.

etc.

i guess in his mind, the more risky the decision the greater the reward will be

So.  Secretariat's trainer was never a horse.

[Cary Kollins]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't.

Ten years from now, I don't want to be one of those pathetic fans that's always talking about that one year when we used to be good. I'd rather be looking forward to another trip to the playoffs.

Basically, I'm not interested in being the Buccaneers. I'd rather be the Steelers or the Patriots.

 

hate to point out the painfully obvious, but rather being the Steelers or Patriots means being team with multiple Lombardis

[WOW!!]

11 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

John Fox was obviously halfway out the door and likely had no care for JC. Even if JC was slightly better at camp, there was no way the organization was putting out the 2nd round pick from last year who was 1-11 as a starter over the #1 overall pick. The NFL is more political then you think, imagine the revolt of this fanbase if Clausen went out there and got killed again in 2011 while Cam sat. 

You're seeing why now in 2020 why Jimmy Clausen never had a chance to be successful, The offensive line was terrible, Jordan Gross wasn't giving him all day to throw by himself. The man who replaced him is broken into 1000 pieces... I'm not saying Clausen had a chance to be a franchise QB, but he was brought in as a backup everywhere else he went behind a solidified QB. Getting hit 1000 times and losing 11 football games in one season while having a whole city calling for your head is terrible on any QB, much less a rookie.

 

I don't think the 2010 Panthers were trying to tank, the 4th game of the year, they lost to a Saints team who finished 11-5 by 2 points in the superdome. 

Jimmy Clausen was just bad... plain and simple.. He never succeeded any where else and did nothing of note in his pro career...

Other QB were put in worst situations and still succeeded or had some semblance of growth or success... Example.. Kyler Murray had nothing around him and still showed something...

I don't think the 2010 team was trying to tank either.. Bad QB play and injuries did them in. But Clausen sucked and was never going to be a QB you build around.. That was evident no matter what situation you put him in...

Cream raises to the top...

[WOW!!]

Let's really look at the supporting cast Clausen had...

Clausen Oline might be better then anyone of Cam's oline..

He had Smitty, Dwill and Stew.. 

 

[Pantherzack179812]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

Cool alot of ppl will and are starting to do so off the letter alone...

fug your true fan bull poo... That is the stupidest poo I ever heard in my life... I don't blame anybody in this economy and having to live and work day to day... To have standards in what they want to spend their entertainment dollars on... You end up like the fuging Knicks paying for a subpar product and nobody caring to make the "right" changes because they are going to make their money no matter what effort they put into it...

A real fans support teams that are trying to succeed no matter what... Not supporting crap no matter what...

I mean, I don't know why you would buy Seat licenses that say you HAVE to buy the season tickets every year, then complain they don't give you a discount. The Panthers for all you know might pull a miracle and trade for Joe Burrow; NFL tickets don't get discounted for any reason. If the Panthers had 6 losing seasons in a row under Tepper's watch, then he proceeds to say what he said in the letter, you have every right to be mad. If you sat through the 2015 season smiling while fans without PSLs were having to pay $250 to sit in the nosebleeds to get a seat, then don't complain now. 

We had 2 losing seasons under Tepper, David Tepper purchased the Panthers in May 2018, he had no chance to do any major changes that year. It was also obvious he gutted this business side, then fired Ron after 2 straight terrible finishes. I don't buy the whole Hurney line, I think it is an excuse to let the fans get by until May, if he signs him to a 6 year extension, then get mad then. Black Monday is usually for coaches. When you fire a GM, you need a new one. Firing Hurney in December would've made all scouting for 2020 worthless under a new GM, plus it would've had to be someone who is not already a GM. Realistically, Richardson's staff built the 2018 Panthers, and I feel there was no reasonable way to fire the 2018 staff in 2019 before Tepper was there for even a full year. 

2020 will probably not be the 3-13 dumpster fire everyone thinks. Go watch the 0-16 Browns who ended up getting Mayfield, they were literally within feet of winning 6-9 games. Their last game after clinching the #1 pick, they almost won. You have to get lucky and find ways to lose to get a #1 draft choice. Frankly, I would be happy with a QB from this draft if we choose to go that route, Tua is a good option if we get a good medical opinion on him. If your team sucks, you don't have to try to lose. It's simple, the best MLB in history retired and we have to eat some of his cap in 2020, Cam Newton is pending via if he is even healthy enough to play. Remember, we went from in a span of 3 days Cam will likely start vs Titans to he is out for the year, I'll believe Cam health news when I see it. He may fail the physical and the choice is made for us. 

 

 

[Pantherzack179812]

4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Jimmy Clausen was just bad... plain and simple.. He never succeeded any where else and did nothing of note in his pro career...

Other QB were put in worst situations and still succeeded or had some semblance of growth or success... Example.. Kyler Murray had nothing around him and still showed something...

Cream raises to the top...

Difference between a #1 overall pick and a 2nd rounder. Clausen was brought in as a backup at other places, never with any intention to develop him. Not trying to say that he was going to be Peyton Manning, but the kid might've been able to have a 10-13 year career as a journeyman backup had he not been thrown to the fire.

[WOW!!]

4 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

I mean, I don't know why you would buy Seat licenses that say you HAVE to buy the season tickets every year, then complain they don't give you a discount. The Panthers for all you know might pull a miracle and trade for Joe Burrow; NFL tickets don't get discounted for any reason. If the Panthers had 6 losing seasons in a row under Tepper's watch, then he proceeds to say what he said in the letter, you have every right to be mad. If you sat through the 2015 season smiling while fans without PSLs were having to pay $250 to sit in the nosebleeds to get a seat, then don't complain now. 

We had 2 losing seasons under Tepper, David Tepper purchased the Panthers in May 2018, he had no chance to do any major changes that year. It was also obvious he gutted this business side, then fired Ron after 2 straight terrible finishes. I don't buy the whole Hurney line, I think it is an excuse to let the fans get by until May, if he signs him to a 6 year extension, then get mad then. Black Monday is usually for coaches. When you fire a GM, you need a new one. Firing Hurney in December would've made all scouting for 2020 worthless under a new GM, plus it would've had to be someone who is not already a GM. Realistically, Richardson's staff built the 2018 Panthers, and I feel there was no reasonable way to fire the 2018 staff in 2019 before Tepper was there for even a full year. 

2020 will probably not be the 3-13 dumpster fire everyone thinks. Go watch the 0-16 Browns who ended up getting Mayfield, they were literally within feet of winning 6-9 games. Their last game after clinching the #1 pick, they almost won. You have to get lucky and find ways to lose to get a #1 draft choice. Frankly, I would be happy with a QB from this draft if we choose to go that route, Tua is a good option if we get a good medical opinion on him. If your team sucks, you don't have to try to lose. It's simple, the best MLB in history retired and we have to eat some of his cap in 2020, Cam Newton is pending via if he is even healthy enough to play. Remember, we went from in a span of 3 days Cam will likely start vs Titans to he is out for the year, I'll believe Cam health news when I see it. He may fail the physical and the choice is made for us. 

 

 

We had to buy the seats to get the team in the 1st place.. Without the incredible sales of the PSL in the 1st place their wouldn't be a team here... That was the thing that got the NFL to give the Carolinas a team.... And like I said.. Tepper can decide to raise prices or give a discount... He can lower prices on concessions or work a deal to make parking cheaper... He can figure out a way to atleast give some relief to his fan base while he is intentionally putting crap on the field... You can say what you want about paying for the good season as well as the bad.. But this is different.. I was never asked to pay for intentionally bad season in the history of the team... There was always something to give the fan base hope.. And Richardson did lower prices after 1-15 season tear down...

If they make moves to not look like their intentionally tanking then this is a moot conversation anyway...

[WOW!!]

11 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Difference between a #1 overall pick and a 2nd rounder. Clausen was brought in as a backup at other places, never with any intention to develop him. Not trying to say that he was going to be Peyton Manning, but the kid might've been able to have a 10-13 year career as a journeyman backup had he not been thrown to the fire.

He was brought in as a backup who was the most pro ready QB in that draft...

Russell Wilson was brought in as a 3rd round backup.. And succeeded.. So was Gardner Minshew.. There were players who succeeded no matter their situation and done more than Clausen ever did... Some player aren't just not good... I think David Carr was just going to be a bust.. Maybe he would have been better if they made enough pieces perfect around him.. But do you really want that in your QB.. That's a game manager not a franchise QB..

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Cary Kollins said:

hate to point out the painfully obvious, but rather being the Steelers or Patriots means being team with multiple Lombardis

I'm thinking more in terms of perennial contenders, but more than one Lombardi would be nice too.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Let's really look at the supporting cast Clausen had...

Clausen Oline might be better then anyone of Cam's oline..

He had Smitty, Dwill and Stew.. 

 

So you are saying he had 1 RB and 1 WR as his weapons and nothing more?

Why did not mention the other WR--David Gettis? TE Jeff King?  Cam would have been a lesser QB without Olsen.... I am not arguing against your point--but all you do is paint half a picture and call it a masterpiece.

Any of Cam's Oline...(by the way, not "anyone of Cam's..."

[AggieLean]

The Lombardi is the only thing that matters. We would’ve won SB 50, I would’ve been content. Hell, the league could fold after that for all I care. 
 

Just get one, then yall and Mr Tepper can worry about that dynasty stuff. 

[AggieLean]

Trying to build shyt the “right way” when we don’t know how long the NFL as we know it will last. With concussions, CTE, players walking away from the game, you could spend so long trying to get it right for it all not to matter in the end.
 

Same ones wanting to build correctly be the main ones harping on the salary cap, while the Saints just go out and do; manipulating the cap to their very needs. They’ve managed to build a consistent team in the process, too, smh. Plus, they’ve got a Lombardi.

[davos]

I disagree with how long it can take. Things can get turned around in the league rather quickly in the NFL; this isn't the NBA.  But factoring in we have one of the greenest coaching staffs in NFL history (in regards to NFL experience), Tepper is playing this in the "process" direction.

Look at Gruden in Oakland/Vegas.  He completely, entirely, absolutely gutted that team minus Carr and a few others.  More turnover than most teams see anywhere or anytime and he got them in view of the playoffs year 2.  4-12, then 7-9.  What we can't be is sitting in the gutter for consecutive years.  They can be crap in 2020, but we should expect stable and focused progress. 

[pantherclaw]

You guys have surpassed pathetic.

All he's saying is   have patience,  Rome wasn't built in a day. 

I'm more disgusted with what I see here, than I am with the team.