Panthers owner to PSL owners: Success “won’t happen overnight”

[OneBadCat]

22 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I said the year before.. 2008.. 2009 Jake fell apart at the beginning of the season.. Fox waited to long to bring Moore in and they went on a winning streak and almost made the playoffs..  They were still in the playoff hunt up until the last game  and lost out due to a points thing in the later games 2009.. look it up.. .. Look at the roster that team wasn't the worst roster in the league.. They were trying to have a bounce back season.. 

Fox was such a blind Jake homer. He should have started Moore from the second half of the Arizona playoff game onward. Not saying Matt Moore was ever an all star but that was his window to be a starter in the NFL and he had shown he was better than Jake in his limited time in 07.

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

My original post was, "Name two teams that have had 'quick turnarounds' that have had sustained success." The two examples you gave were a team that hasn't had a losing record in almost two decades, and a team that had a quick turnaround, but has not shown any ability to sustain it yet, and Aaron Rodgers is getting older and more beaten up, so nothing is certain. 

 

Lol. Nice try on that crawfishing. 

[Panther'sBigD]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Lol. Nice try on that crawfishing. 

Huh?

 

2 hours ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Name two teams with 'quick turnarounds' that have had sustained success. 

 

[MHS831]

Here is how I see it.

In my hometown, I know the guy who owns a McDonald's franchise.  He recently closed it down for about 6 months and spent thousands renovating it.  I saw nothing wrong with it before, but he was willing to make it completely unproductive and very costly for six months.  He explained that the business model (provided by McDonalds) explains that he would break even in about 2 years with the increased efficiency and upgrades (attracting more customers).  To me, that did not make sense.  I was so focused on the short term losses being absolute and certain vs. a prediction based on math and stuff. 

That is the difference between a salaried worker and an entrepreneur.  Tepper has never been a salaried worker.

[X-Clown]

54 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I know you ppl are devoid of doing any research  but it's not that hard to look and see that roster wasn't that bad.. And Matt Moore was coming off 6 game winning streak   and they barely missed the playoffs that year.. Also Clausen by most analysts was considered pro ready and a steal...

"Do your research" says the poster who literally gets 2 facts wrong in his very next sentence.

I'll do your research for you....Matt Moore did not win 6 games in a row, the team went 4-1 with him as a starter in 2009 and like I said that was after the Panthers were out of playoff contention. The Panthers did not "barely" miss the playoffs that year, they were 8-8 and the team with the lowest wild card record was 11-5. Please. Stop. Posting. 

[X-Clown]

56 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I said the year before.. 2008.. 2009 Jake fell apart at the beginning of the season.. Fox waited to long to bring Moore in and they went on a winning streak and almost made the playoffs..  They were still in the playoff hunt up until the last game  and lost out due to a points thing in the later games 2009.. look it up.. .. Look at the roster that team wasn't the worst roster in the league.. They were trying to have a bounce back season.. 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2009/index.htm

 

NFC Playoff Standings

 

 

NFC Playoff Standings Table

Tm	W	L	T	Position	Reason
New Orleans Saints (1)	13	3	0	South Champion
Minnesota Vikings (2)	12	4	0	North Champion
Dallas Cowboys (3)	11	5	0	East Champion	head-to-head record
Arizona Cardinals (4)	10	6	0	West Champion
Green Bay Packers (5)	11	5	0	Wild Card #1	win percentage in common games
Philadelphia Eagles (6)	11	5	0	Wild Card #2
Atlanta Falcons	9	7	0
Carolina Panthers	8	8	0		conference win percentage
San Francisco 49ers	8	8	0		conference win percentage
New York Giants	8	8	0
Chicago Bears	7	9	0
Seattle Seahawks	5	11	0
Washington Redskins	4	12	0
Tampa Bay Buccaneers	3	13	0
Detroit Lions	2	14	0
St. Louis Rams	1	15	0

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

So there is risk in life? Interesting.

I guess your plan is to do nothing and wait for good things to happen. 
 

I’d rather us be bold and try something and fail than doing nothing.

I shouldn't have to pay regular prices for your risk then..

Do things to elevate your consumer risk..

Lower prices 

Bring in ppl with "pro" experiences and a history of "pro" success...

Do nothing?? No .. There are alot of examples of rebuilding plans that don't include you tanking...

1. Give Cam a chance.. If he gets hurt then you still get to that point without trying to..

2. Hire ppl that gives the fan base more faith in your plan...

3. Lower your prices so ppl aren't paying high prices for sub par crap...

4. Do what you have to to get a QB this year...

[therealmjl]

31 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Here is how I see it.

In my hometown, I know the guy who owns a McDonald's franchise.  He recently closed it down for about 6 months and spent thousands renovating it.  I saw nothing wrong with it before, but he was willing to make it completely unproductive and very costly for six months.  He explained that the business model (provided by McDonalds) explains that he would break even in about 2 years with the increased efficiency and upgrades (attracting more customers).  To me, that did not make sense.  I was so focused on the short term losses being absolute and certain vs. a prediction based on math and stuff. 

That is the difference between a salaried worker and an entrepreneur.  Tepper has never been a salaried worker.

And he's also never ran a football team...or hired a coach that has coached an NFL team.

etc.

i guess in his mind, the more risky the decision the greater the reward will be

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

"Do your research" says the poster who literally gets 2 facts wrong in his very next sentence.

I'll do your research for you....Matt Moore did not win 6 games in a row, the team went 4-1 with him as a starter in 2009 and like I said that was after the Panthers were out of playoff contention. The Panthers did not "barely" miss the playoffs that year, they were 8-8 and the team with the lowest wild card record was 11-5. Please. Stop. Posting. 

They were not out of playoff contention until the week of the year... 

 

9 minutes ago, X-Clown said:

"Do your research" says the poster who literally gets 2 facts wrong in his very next sentence.

I'll do your research for you....Matt Moore did not win 6 games in a row, the team went 4-1 with him as a starter in 2009 and like I said that was after the Panthers were out of playoff contention. The Panthers did not "barely" miss the playoffs that year, they were 8-8 and the team with the lowest wild card record was 11-5. Please. Stop. Posting. 

I'm wrong you're right.. I don't know what season I was thinking about.. I thought the season where smitty broke his arm vs the giants was the season they barely miss the playoffs... But again I'm wrong you're right..

[TheRed]

I don't blame anyone for having reservations about some of this. Especially the lack of coaching experience at the NFL level.

Rhule and the rest of his guys are just going to have to make believers out of some fans. That's the way it goes in sports.

[WOW!!]

I'm wrong about 2009.. But if that was the plan it just another example of tanking not working..

We still didn't get Luck.. And Cam is the only thing that save that situation... And we could have truly fuged up and gotten Gabbert .. 

2009 we tank for Luck and he decided to go back to school.. It didn't work without alot of LUCK...

[X-Clown]

9 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

They were not out of playoff contention until the week of the year... 

 

I'm wrong you're right.. I don't know what season I was thinking about.. I thought the season where smitty broke his arm vs the giants was the season they barely miss the playoffs... But again I'm wrong you're right..

You're thinking about 1999 with George Seifert, where we had to put up as many points as possible in the final game of the season to break a tie with the Packers.

[WOW!!]

1 minute ago, X-Clown said:

You're thinking about 1999 with George Seifert, where we had to put up as many points as possible in the final game of the season to break a tie with the Packers.

You're right.. And that was Berline not Moore .. I completely had a overbearing mind fart.. I'm sorry..

[ellis]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Players are playing for their next paycheck / to feed their families. They're not going to tank.

Young players are trying to make a name for themselves in what might be their only shot. They're not going to tank.

Older players might be riding out their last chance at a ring or glory. They're not going to tank.

Coaches and assistants are likewise coaching for their jobs and are sometimes a bad season away from unemployment. They're not going to tank.

About the only way that the team could successfully tank would be to take the "Major League" approach and fill a roster with guys who shouldn't even be there. If you can put together a bad enough roster, then you might actually be able to tank despite the best efforts of those involved.

So I guess the question becomes can our current leadership put together a roster that stinks bad enough to get us a really high pick?

Well, given that they've done so before even when they weren't actually trying to, I'd say the answer is probably yes.

The only viable way to pull this off is to start a very bad quarterback for 16 weeks. 

That’s really what it comes down to in this league. That’s what happened in 2001. That’s what happened in 2010.