Cam IG post: “Sometimes you just have to play the role of a fool; to fool the fool who thinks they are fooling you!!”

[rippadonn]

Just now, thefuzz said:

He hasn't been cleared to throw or run, where have you been?  That's the entire issue.

The PSL owners and fans that pay to attend games deserve 1 thing for their time and money, a football team on the field Sunday at 1PM for 8 games per season.  No more, no less.  To think differently is being naive.

 

To think people will support garbage for however long ownership fumbles and bumbles along throwing away victories while they figure it all out is foolish. Our dollars will go elsewhere.

You can expect less and be happy, nobody else has to do that.

[pantherj]

Just wait until we start drafting LBs and DTs high. The circle will be complete.

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

To think people will support garbage for however long ownership fumbles and bumbles along throwing away victories while they figure it all out is foolish. Our dollars will go elsewhere.

You can expect less and be happy, nobody else has to do that.

There are Panthers fans out there who will accept losing as long as the faces front and center are more presentable and relatable.

[OneBadCat]

I still think this is overblown just because Tepper got pissy at the media for nagging him about Cam. Just before that there was a consensus that he was likely to stay. Unless Cams team is deeply offended by Teppers comments(which I think is possible) I still think Cam will be our guy. And if he wants to leave it will be a Cam decision to request a trade or release.

If Cam is healthy, why  would we trade him? There isn’t a QB we could draft or acquire that would be better than him, short term and likely long term. 
 

If we get rid of him and he’s healthy. Then we lose our franchise QB who was on a bargain deal. Then gamble that we trade up for a QB who isn’t as good as Cam. Then we sign a crap stop gap veteran QB  We waste time in FA releasing Cam to sign a lesser QB for money than we would have paid retaining him.

All that draft capital and energy in FA would be better spent rebuilding the roster to see what Cam can do on one more year with an innovative OC. If he fails, then we grab our QB next year and he’ll have a solid offensive line with him to grow with. 
 

And some might find it arbitrary but ridding the team of a healthy Cam Newton is going to make fans hate Tepper. It rubs me the wrong way also. He just got here and he doesn’t know how beloved Newton is here. It’s a big deal in the eyes of the fans. Sure I know it doesn’t matter but its gonna look bad for Tepper, especially if Rhule isn’t successful.

[rippadonn]

Just treat all people respectfully. He may want to get rid of Cam because he doesn't like his "look". I don't care. Treat people the right way. Be open and honest. People can respect that.

All this trying to fool other NFL teams is foolishness. They already know everything, if they want Cam, they've got to bring it, and they're not because you've bungled the whole thing.

The mature thing to have said and been saying is that "he is under contract".

[rippadonn]

20 minutes ago, TheRed said:

There are Panthers fans out there who will accept losing as long as the faces front and center are more presentable and relatable.

Damn bro, I never wanted to believe that but...

[1of10Charnatives]

27 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

To think people will support garbage for however long ownership fumbles and bumbles along throwing away victories while they figure it all out is foolish. Our dollars will go elsewhere.

You can expect less and be happy, nobody else has to do that.

Panther fans are human beings, just like the human beings in Ohio that pull for the Browns and Bengals, or the human beings in New York that pull for the Jets. Any NFL owners operating assumption until proven otherwise is it's better to win but people will accept losing as long as they have hope things will get better. You personally may not accept the direction and choices the franchise makes, but until very large numbers of Panthers fans demonstrate we are somehow materially different as humans from those other fanbases (and please don't kid yourself into believing we really are), they will make decisions with an assumption there is a baseline level of financial buy in that a fanbase will make regardless. IE you may not buy season tickets but some number of people will, and it is enough. 

They are also buttressed from the consequences of our individual choice not to support by the fact a large portion of their revenue derives from TV and other sources that are league wide and not dependant upon individual team success and financial buyin in by a particular team's fanbase. This has advantages in leveling the playing field competitively but disadvantages if you're a fanbase unhappy with your team's path. Pile atop this the fact that David Tepper has made a fortune very few will ever make already. He may want this team to be profitable, but he doesn't actually NEED it to be. 

In sum you are free not to support the team's choices, but the notion that enough people will do that to force any reconsideration at the decision maker level faces a number of uphill factors working against it.

[thefuzz]

28 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

To think people will support garbage for however long ownership fumbles and bumbles along throwing away victories while they figure it all out is foolish. Our dollars will go elsewhere.

You can expect less and be happy, nobody else has to do that.

This has been going on for 25 years in Charlotte, you know what?  The team keeps going up in value, the owners make a lot of money, fans still shell out the ticket prices, and we keep buying merch and coming to this website.

You think THIS is going to change all of that?  How about for the Bengals or Lions fans?

I'm not happy, and I have zero expectations for this team, it's probably best if you take that approach as well, for your health.

P.S. if you are a good fan, or consider yourself one, you need to take your dollars elsewhere.  Don't buy a hat, don't go to a game, don't buy that sticker, don't tune in on Sunday's, don't "thumbs up" Panthers posts on twitter.  That's called being a good fan, choosing not to support your team until the team has proven itself worthy of said support.  

P.S.S. People will continue to support.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Panther fans are human beings, just like the human beings in Ohio that pulls for the Browns and Bengals, or the human beings in New York that pull for the Jets. Any NFL owners operating assumption until proven otherwise is it's better to win but people will accept losing as long as they have hope things will get better. You personally may not accept the direction and choices the franchise makes, but until very large numbers of Panthers fans demonstrate we are somehow materially different as humans from those other fanbases (and please don't kid yourself into believing we really are), they will make decisions with an assumption there is a baseline level of financial buy in that a fanbase will make regardless. IE you may not buy season tickets but some number of people will, and it is enough. 

They are also buttressed from the consequences of our individual choice not to support by the fact a large portion of their revenue derives from TV and other sources that are league wide and not dependant upon individual team success and financial buyin in by a particular team's fanbase. This has advantages in leveling the playing field competitively but disadvantages if you're a fanbase unhappy with your team's path. Pile atop this the fact that David Tepper has made a fortune very few will ever make already. He may want this team to be profitable, but he doesn't actually NEED it to be. 

In sum you are free not to support the team's choices, but the notion that enough people will do that to force any reconsideration at the decision maker level faces a number of uphill factors working against it.

I feel you. Bad business is bad business. The results will show regardless.

This isn't a joke of a franchise yet but you must show class in dealing with people.

As Tepper himself has said he's good with anything numbers related. Such individuals usually have a hard time with the human aspect of management.

He will learn, but there is a %50 chance you've already seen the best of Panther football. This is year 3 for Tepper. I'm holding him accountable now and forever.

[Jon Snow]

I see a lot of you have never played poker before.  At least not successfully.

[rippadonn]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

This has been going on for 25 years in Charlotte, you know what?  The team keeps going up in value, the owners make a lot of money, fans still shell out the ticket prices, and we keep buying merch and coming to this website.

You think THIS is going to change all of that?  How about for the Bengals or Lions fans?

I'm not happy, and I have zero expectations for this team, it's probably best if you take that approach as well, for your health.

P.S. if you are a good fan, or consider yourself one, you need to take your dollars elsewhere.  Don't buy a hat, don't go to a game, don't buy that sticker, don't tune in on Sunday's, don't "thumbs up" Panthers posts on twitter.  That's called being a good fan, choosing not to support your team until the team has proven itself worthy of said support.  

P.S.S. People will continue to support.

If the Hornets go back to being my favorite Charlotte team I'm sure the Panthers won't miss me. Just like they won't miss Cam.

[TheRed]

So if Tepper is this noncommittal and bullish for the sake of being so when it is CMC's turn for a contract extension, will the same posters that see no issue whatsoever with this feel the same?

It's a legitimate question. Mods can roll in here and toss out warnings for race baiting all they want.

[Bronn]

This will be my only and last post regarding the "situation" with Cam Newton.

The Carolina Panthers never had a franchise quarterback until they had Cam Newton.

The Carolina Panthers never had an adequate offensive coordinator overseeing Cam Newton's offense.

The Carolina Panthers and Cam Newton did not handle Cam's injuries well at all.

The Carolina Panthers never invested in the offensive line to protect Cam Newton.

I've been a fan of the Carolina Panthers since before they fielded their first team. I've invested a lot of time and emotion over the years, and missed out on a lot of other good things I could have been experiencing in my own life because of it.

IF Cam Newton is healthy and the Carolina Panthers trade him, my time as a fan of the Carolina Panthers, and football in general will come to an end. I'll be 100% done.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If the Hornets go back to being my favorite Charlotte team I'm sure the Panthers won't miss me. Just like they won't miss Cam.

Seems like a good idea to switch your allegiances from being a fan of a mismanaged franchise, to a dumpster fire of a franchise.

You keep bringing up treating people the right way, have you ever worked in corporate America?  Been fired for absolutely no reason?

This is normal talk around NFL circles, it's just a little different when it concerns a QB, but this isn't something that's unheard of in the least.