Preferred Direction at QB?

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

FYI: Scott Fowler and Alaina Getzenberg had a whole discussion on this:

What should the Panthers do at quarterback

Why bother with this approach? If you're going the total rebuild route then just tank. Play Grier and end up with a top 3 pick. Mediocrity is NFL purgatory that's hard to break out of.

[kungfoodude]

19 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not even gonna try to predict how this is gonna go.

The poll?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

The poll?

The offseason.

I've said before the only scenario I think would be dimwitted is offering Newton an extension. As far as the other options, I honestly don't have a preference. Any one of them could be valid.

I did see one Twitter user who generally knows what she's talking about say there's a rumor that the Panthers like next year's quarterback draft class better than this year's. Don't know if that's true or not but that isn't the first time I've heard that suggested.

[davos]

@pantherclaw so Herbert aye? Fan or is it what you think will happen? I think this is an entirely possible scenario and it would drive people nuts. I love it.

[MHS831]

Pay attention to the Panther's interest in Herbert--especially if they get a high pick for Cam---

Do not rule out Detroit as a possible QB player.  Not sure if they would draft another Oregon QB so soon after Joey Harrington, but they might not worry about that.   Of course, they could need a  CB worse---but Stafford is an old 32, having played in Detroit for a decade.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

The offseason.

I've said before the only scenario I think would be dimwitted is offering Newton an extension. As far as the other options, I honestly don't have a preference. Any one of them could be valid.

I did see one Twitter user who generally knows what she's talking about say there's a rumor that the Panthers like next year's quarterback draft class better than this year's. Don't know if that's true or not but that isn't the first time I've heard that suggested.

Yeah, I think the poll is about everyone's preferences about the direction not a prediction of what will happen. Obviously none of us has a clue on that. The team probably doesn't have a clue yet. Which, I am starting to think that they just don't have a clue about much in general.

[kungfoodude]

@LinvilleGorge I don't see you supporting your boy Herbert here. What gives?

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

@LinvilleGorge I don't see you supporting your boy Herbert here. What gives?

I could be flat out wrong about Herbert. I just have to go off of what I've seen him do at Oregon in that offense. He very well could be capable of more. Interviews and white board work would go a long way in determining that.

But, based on what I've seen him do at Oregon, I wouldn't draft him any higher than the 3rd or 4th as a developmental prospect and I'd basically he picking him on physical talent alone.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Pay attention to the Panther's interest in Herbert--especially if they get a high pick for Cam---

Do not rule out Detroit as a possible QB player.  Not sure if they would draft another Oregon QB so soon after Joey Harrington, but they might not worry about that.   Of course, they could need a  CB worse---but Stafford is an old 32, having played in Detroit for a decade.

They are financially committed to Stafford until 2022. I don't know that I would expect them to make a QB move. Stafford is a good QB and he's only 32. The back injury could be a concern but he was playing very, very well in 2019 prior to his injury. I am not sure you see them go QB unless they have some serious concerns with his health long term.

[Madwolf]

1. Tua won't be available unless we trade up, which is a bad move.

2. Herbert feels like a trap. He's the "next best guy," in this QB group, which over-inflates his actual value.

3. I'm cool with Cam Newton returning if we believe he's healthy and we invest in protecting him, or any QB we'll have in the backfield honestly. If you're going to get any value in return though you have to trade him.

4. I don't believe you can do nothing. Allen is a backup, and Grier was dreadful.

5. 2nd round QBs to develop are okay options, but you really have to sign someone in FA as a transitional guy if you're going this route.

6. If you go with a 2nd round QB Keenum and Rivers are good options on the table. I think Bridgewater is a guy you take if you want a QB now and don't like anyone in the draft. And Mariotta is a career backup at this point without a huge turn around. 

[kungfoodude]

Cam or Tank seems to be the current trend. I am a little surprised by how many people seem to be embracing the tanking. 

[Madwolf]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I could be flat out wrong about Herbert. I just have to go off of what I've seen him do at Oregon in that offense. He very well could be capable of more. Interviews and white board work would go a long way in determining that.

But, based on what I've seen him do at Oregon, I wouldn't draft him any higher than the 3rd or 4th as a developmental prospect and I'd basically he picking him on physical talent alone.

Heard he can throw for 90 yards on his knees!

[kungfoodude]

Just now, Madwolf said:

1. Tua won't be available unless we trade up, which is a bad move.

2. Herbert feels like a trap. He's the "next best guy," in this QB group, which over-inflates his actual value.

3. I'm cool with Cam Newton returning if we believe he's healthy and we invest in protecting him, or any QB we'll have in the backfield honestly. If you're going to get any value in return though you have to trade him.

4. I don't believe you can do nothing. Allen is a backup, and Grier was dreadful.

5. 2nd round QBs to develop are okay options, but you really have to sign someone in FA as a transitional guy if you're going this route.

6. If you go with a 2nd round QB Keenum and Rivers are good options on the table. I think Bridgewater is a guy you take if you want a QB now and don't like anyone in the draft. And Mariotta is a career backup at this point without a huge turn around. 

Keenum and Rivers are not likely to be cheap and I suspect Rivers will be looking for either a spot close to his new home(FL) or on a team that is capable of contending.

[Madwolf]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Cam or Tank seems to be the current trend. I am a little surprised by how many people seem to be embracing the tanking. 

I don't think it's absolutely clear on who "wants to tank" and who just things we're going to be bad regardless.

I don't personally buy into tanking, but I do think we're going to be bad and we need to get value back where we can to jump start the rebuild. In my experience, if you're a team without much talent, injuries are generally going to do you in without having to sell the farm. You need foundation pieces to build around, and when you get them, you don't dump them chasing the next big thing, or worrying about winning too much.