CMC Trade Talk (Might as well get it out there)

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not really.

There have been no indications Cam is being traded. Only speculation. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, davos said:

It's nice to have the young newcomer staff with the hot names but we don't seem to have a savvy NFL mind behind the personnel decisions. 

Hurney is like a dark rain cloud hovering overhead on an otherwise sunny day.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, davos said:

Agreed.  Good points.  I think that contract though could be upwards around 16-18/year though and I don't believe it would strap us down necessarily.  Meh, but yep I went from unease to excited and back to unease.  

It's nice to have the young newcomer staff with the hot names but we don't seem to have a savvy NFL mind behind the personnel decisions. 

Having a RB at $16-18/mil a year would be a tremendous financial burden, IMO. That is something in area of 7-9% cap utilization(using projected cap estimates). That would hurt.

[davos]

1 minute ago, JawnyBlaze said:

I don’t think we should be getting rid of Cam or CMC.  We’re not as far from being competitive as most like to portray. At the very least we’re closer than the 49ers were a couple years ago.  And if Cam is healthy, we have a huge advantage compared to that team in having a legit QB.  Even if he never rushes for a single yard for the rest of his career, it’s better than what the 49ers went to the SB with. 

I dunno JB.  Current holes where we have obvious vacancies or desperately need upgrades...

Offense:

LT

LG

C

WR2/3

TE

Defense:

Base DE

NT

DT

OLB

MLB

CB

NB

FS

We pretty much need an entire defense minus Burns, Shaq and Miller. 

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think we ultimately end up signing him to a $14-16 mil/year average deal that has a reasonable out after the 4th year of the deal. That's my ultimate prediction. I don't think there is any real thought in the front office to trade away a star RB and we have a GM at the helm who has a history of shelling out big contracts to RB's. 

I think whether or not we regret signing him to that deal will completely hinge on the team we are able to build around him and the QB we have. In the purely hypothetical world, if we decide to make him a "core" player for the next 4-5 years, do they also do the same with DJ Moore? If we struggle to get a franchise QB again during that time period(something we did the last time we lost a long time starting QB), can you justify paying a top 10 WR salary with your top 5 RB salary?

I'm still in the place I was prior to any of the coaching hires, not feeling good about the offseason in general. There are just so many variables and right now the trend of the offseason(Thompson contract, Hurney being retained, Rhule/Baylor staff hires, core player departures, etc) is not making me feel any better.

     It’s a tough call. And he deserves it. I just don’t see passing on a top 50 pick or two, to pay a RB 15M to get beat up. You almost have to ask yourself if it would beneficial if he played at all. Yes, ridiculous I know but that’s when they “need “ him. 
 

   I’m in agreement on everything else. I feel bad for a few of you “rare” posters I’ve always chatted with on here. Admittedly, I’ve been laughing at most decisions because I’m gone with Cam. And I’ll wish some of you the best of luck...lol     

[PantherPhann89]

I see no reason as to why we would trade CMC. He's a young dominate RB that's still in his contract. He brings everything you could ask for in a RB.

[Krovvy]

56 minutes ago, davos said:

If you look at this from a receiving perspective, only Austin Ekeler was even remotely close to CMC this past season.  His production is something most teams get out of 2-3 players.  I think you have to at the least see what type of product Rhule and Brady put out there.  People thought Miami was going to be one of the worst teams in NFL history last season and they ended up beating a Patriots team that needed to win by the end of the year.  They really just had Devante Parker and nothing else. 

Wasn't he an UDFA? Seems like every year there's one or two standout UDFA runningbacks that blow up.

[TheRed]

28 minutes ago, davos said:

Oh without a doubt regarding the bold.  Once it got to around week 13ish and we were out, it was Lamar, Mahomes, or Wilson.  But I'm saying his impact is pretty darn substantial and his numbers aren;t simply due to high volume.  There's a special player there who's a receiver and running back.  I'll be honest and take the easy route out by saying I really don't have an opinion one way or another on who makes it through this offseason.  There's just so many unknowns.

There's a lot of nonsense going on in these discussions, mostly because of how bad we were last year. It's always inevitable when a team is awful. To make matters worse, still no back to back winning seasons. In terms of just where we go from here, I would wager 9 out of 10 fans in any given discussion want to keep CMC and other core players left to make a run. If we can somehow maneuver our way into a young promising QB in this draft or the next absolutely keep CMC and let's go. But if we are going to be losing for the foreseeable future it is going to be difficult to convince a fanbase that has seen as much turmoil as we have in a short time as a young franchise that it's a good idea to tie up a ton of cap space in skill players in the midst of a multiyear rebuild. We've seen this movie before.

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, stirs said:

That's why you trade them with one year left

Which year? This year? Before the 5th year option? Before the tag? Why would a team trade for him and pay top dollar. He can hold out right now. And who would blame him? 

[davos]

1 minute ago, Krovvy said:

Wasn't he an UDFA? Seems like every year there's one or two standout UDFA runningbacks that blow up.

I believe so.  Same draft as McCaffrey as well, similar size and played HS ball in just outside Denver.  Eerily similar in many respects haha. 

He did have a nice 2018 so not entirely out of nowhere.

[WarHeel]

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's pretty much the dumbest Mahomes take I have ever seen. If you can't see his talent level and the fact that he is the core piece in that offense, I am not really sure you are even watching much NFL.

Flame away. We will see how things shake out if some of the talent starts to go down with injury or is traded away. 

[WarHeel]

15 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Dude stop posting. Good god 

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Toomers said:

     It’s a tough call. And he deserves it. I just don’t see passing on a top 50 pick or two, to pay a RB 15M to get beat up. You almost have to ask yourself if it would beneficial if he played at all. Yes, ridiculous I know but that’s when they “need “ him. 
 

   I’m in agreement on everything else. I feel bad for a few of you “rare” posters I’ve always chatted with on here. Admittedly, I’ve been laughing at most decisions because I’m gone with Cam. And I’ll wish some of you the best of luck...lol     

I agree CMC deserves a top 5 contract but I see the success(or lack thereof) that teams have had recently with highly paid RB's and it definitely gives me pause. Now, could CMC end up being productive for 6-8 more years and continuing to play at a very high level? Possibly. But, it would be an outlier if he does. I just don't think that is a gamble that is ultimately wise.

Yeah, that sucks you didn't become a Panthers fan with Cam but I can understand jumping ship with him since it was Cam that originally brought you here. But we weren't the kind of franchise that had the success that keeps bandwagon fans around, either. That's really on the Panthers.

[Toomers]

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not saying it wouldn't be prudent to hold out but CMC is actually the 14th highest RB contract in overall value in the NFL currently and he has the 8th highest guaranteed money in the NFL. He's actually going to have banked over $17 mil in career earnings just off that rookie contract.

  And Zeke got 50M guaranteed before he played another snap last year. In an identical situation. Not saying he will. But he has every right to.