CMC Trade Talk (Might as well get it out there)

[mav1234]

I heard the Panthers have a player of value, might perhaps we trade him to stockpile draft picks so we can draft a worse player to replace him???

[KaseKlosed]

You think cmc wants to be part of a rebuild? Lmao

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

2 hours ago, mav1234 said:

I heard the Panthers have a player of value, might perhaps we trade him to stockpile draft picks so we can draft a worse player to replace him???

what value does he provide to a rebuilding team? and how much value remains when he’s the highest paid running back in the league? remove your emotions from the equation

[WarHeel]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Your take on Mahomes is going to get more and more funny as the years roll by. I suspect it will be the thing you end up infamous for on here.

Time will tell. Nothing against him, I hope he does well. Might even call him elite next year if he manages 3 great seasons. 

[DamnItJake!]

16 hours ago, TheMostInterestingMan said:

I just want take this moment to point out Tepper has absolutely no intention of relocating this team. It has been brought up a few times by some but the guy just invested a lot of money to bring an MLS team here. His vision for this team remains in Charlotte. That is all lol 

Lol!! I know Tepper doesn’t want to move the team like we won’t trade McCaffery!! Was stirring the poo!! 

[DamnItJake!]

21 hours ago, saX man said:

Burrata my friend is cheese.  Creamy fluff cheese.

Being an experimental sculptor in a US foodie capital, it is a thang and a perfecto parallel. 

 

Okay thanks!! Hmm I will keep an eye out for that!! Who doesn’t like great cheese!!

[rippadonn]

9 hours ago, stbugs said:

The last administration and Marty were there for the tanks. Jordan Gross mentioned that we purposely tanked getting rid of anyone who doesn’t fit the plan. Tepper has said we don’t want mediocrity. Show me a mediocre team that has won anything.

Those weren’t just bad years. Starting Grier and not really participating in FA is akin to starting Clausen. Teams that tank don’t say they are tanking, but they do. All I here in here is that Miami tried and got pick 5. They also have two other first round picks and probably get Tua as their new QB. It worked for them. They just happened to play the Jets and Cincy and NE when NE was running on fumes (hence the playoff loss). We mention that team but ignore our two tanks and how successful they were.

Time to bounce back, this is year three for Tepper, two years to win. Kicking out every damn veteran including CMC won't fly. Fans won't pay for garbage football. We have expectations. Being lesser than Jerry Richardson on the football side isn't one of them. The "five year plan" started when he took over. Put up time. That won't happen in five more years with a scrappy all rookie team with Cam Newton in a Falcons helmet thumping our youngsters for five seasons and we'll try and close our eyes and wish him away like most of Panther nation hoped Brees would disappear. Nope.

[mav1234]

3 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

what value does he provide to a rebuilding team? and how much value remains when he’s the highest paid running back in the league? remove your emotions from the equation

the value he provides is that he is a dynamic playmaker that is still plenty young.  he is fun to watch - something this team is going to need, frankly, and he is going to make the offense, and a lot of the players around him, better.  whomever is our QB will benefit from him.  he is still on his rookie deal.  rebuilding doesn't need to take a decade in today's NFL, and it requires you have some continuity in players during that rebuild, usually.  his contract isn't an issue right now and if we trade away every incredible talent we have to avoid paying them money, we'll never actually finish our rebuild. 

obviously if some basement dweller offers us an incredible haul you consider it - as you would for anyone - but realistically, nobody is going to give us more than a late 1st or a couple 2nds and he is more valuable to this team than those picks would be over the next 3-5 years, and his contract could be structured to give the team some freedom to build later if they get the extension done soon.  plus, RB payscale isn't as punishing to locking up a player as, e.g. QB and WR payscales are.

I do not understand any argument save one that is an emotional "burn every single thing down" to trading CMC this year.

[kungfoodude]

14 hours ago, WarHeel said:

Time will tell. Nothing against him, I hope he does well. Might even call him elite next year if he manages 3 great seasons. 

The two year sample size was enough for me. I did have the thought that perhaps he would have a little slump after his first year starting but that didn't happen. I think the only thing that could knock him off that elite pedestal at this point would be a serious injury that wrecks his career. 

[TheRed]

11 hours ago, mav1234 said:

the value he provides is that he is a dynamic playmaker that is still plenty young.  he is fun to watch - something this team is going to need, frankly, and he is going to make the offense, and a lot of the players around him, better.  whomever is our QB will benefit from him.  he is still on his rookie deal.  rebuilding doesn't need to take a decade in today's NFL, and it requires you have some continuity in players during that rebuild, usually.  his contract isn't an issue right now and if we trade away every incredible talent we have to avoid paying them money, we'll never actually finish our rebuild. 

obviously if some basement dweller offers us an incredible haul you consider it - as you would for anyone - but realistically, nobody is going to give us more than a late 1st or a couple 2nds and he is more valuable to this team than those picks would be over the next 3-5 years, and his contract could be structured to give the team some freedom to build later if they get the extension done soon.  plus, RB payscale isn't as punishing to locking up a player as, e.g. QB and WR payscales are.

I do not understand any argument save one that is an emotional "burn every single thing down" to trading CMC this year.

There are things in this I can agree with, others not so much. Mainly the rose colored glasses stance that his contract won't seriously limit our cap space. My man we've seen 25 years of this song and dance. We are Panthers fans. No matter how much you guys want to rationalize it, other teams in the league are moving away from building around massive RB contracts. The entire reason we supposedly struggled so mightily to properly build around a core of Newton and Kuechly was the excuse of cap hell and bad contracts we were waiting to shed. Some of which were from the RB position. So what we have done from 2011 to 2020? Seems like we've just gone in a circle and now we are right back where we started. Except this time some fans are convincing themselves that it will be different for sure this go around. Well I'm skeptical to say the least. I'll feel better if we acquire the next QB soon. Beyond that, it is beginning to look like just more of the same. I think it was TheRumGone who recently jokingly mentioned our obsession with linebackers and running backs, it's painfully true. When will we learn?

[Jon Snow]

14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The two year sample size was enough for me. I did have the thought that perhaps he would have a little slump after his first year starting but that didn't happen. I think the only thing that could knock him off that elite pedestal at this point would be a serious injury that wrecks his career. 

If Ron had played him in the final game against NO he may have had 1000/1000 2 seasons on a row.  Think about that.  

[TheRed]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

If Ron had played him in the final game against NO he may have had 1000/1000 2 seasons on a row.  Think about that.  

Last I checked we finished both 2018 and 2019 on lengthy losing streaks.

What's your priority exactly? Doesn't sound like it involves winning much.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Last I checked we finished both 2018 and 2019 on lengthy losing streaks.

What's your priority exactly? Doesn't sound like it involves winning much.

Unlike you I have no agenda, just pointing out how incredible that would have been.  

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If Ron had played him in the final game against NO he may have had 1000/1000 2 seasons on a row.  Think about that.  

We kind of derailed the thread. Those comments were actually about Pat Mahomes. WarHeel doesn't believe Mahomes is an elite QB, views him as a product of the talent around him and is basically media hype. The rest of us were trying to debate that. 

CMC is an elite back for sure. Elite RB's tend to stick out more easily in the modern game because it's a devalued position.