CMC Trade Talk (Might as well get it out there)

[AggieLean]

CMC would be considered a WR1?

[MountaineerChemist10]

CMC ain't going anywhere. Just like ESPN.com's Bill Barnwell has mentioned before, CMC is a special player & very different compared to other RBs like Zeke & Gurley. He knows how to take care of himself & isn't going to hold out of training camp. Plus, he does not have criminal background or history of injuries like the current top 5 paid RBs. Right now, those 5 are:

Zeke Elliot - Has history of misconduct & domestic abuse.

Todd Gurley - Pro bowl in '17, signed contract extension in '18 & excelled big time but has bad knees (ACL tear in '14, arthritis in '18). Never been the same.

Le'Veon Bell - Tore ACL in '15 & acts like a bitch.

Devonta Freeman - Excelled under Shanahan's scheme ('15 & '16), been a bust since.

David Johnson - Dislocated wrist in '17, never been the same since.

McCaffrey has been nothing but improving since we drafted him in '17. No, he can't go 1000/1000 every year BUT he follows a strict diet & knows how to take care of himself very very well. Stays out of trouble & has a Luke Kuechly like attitude. Bill Barnwell from ESPN.com (who's a brilliant sports analyst) analyzed each of the top paid RBs, their current contract & gave his opinion. Most of them, he did not like. However, his thoughts on CMC were different:

"Barring injury, my guess is that McCaffrey signs a five-year, $85 million extension sometime next summer. Given two years of top-level production and no injury history to speak of, I don't see a strong argument to let McCaffrey play out his deal and move on."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28121690/all-nfl-running-backs-get-paid-2020-why-recent-deals-look-disasters

McCaffrey is a very rare player. I say sign him NOW, but we'll probably wait until lesser players like Mixon, Conner & Cook sign. Kamara will likely sign after CMC.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, MountaineerChemist10 said:

CMC ain't going anywhere. Just like ESPN.com's Bill Barnwell has mentioned before, CMC is a special player & very different compared to other RBs like Zeke & Gurley. He knows how to take care of himself & isn't going to hold out of training camp. Plus, he does not have criminal background or history of injuries like the current top 5 paid RBs. Right now, those 5 are:

Zeke Elliot - Has history of misconduct & domestic abuse.

Todd Gurley - Pro bowl in '17, signed contract extension in '18 & excelled big time but has bad knees (ACL tear in '14, arthritis in '18). Never been the same.

Le'Veon Bell - Tore ACL in '15 & acts like a bitch.

Devonta Freeman - Excelled under Shanahan's scheme ('15 & '16), been a bust since.

David Johnson - Dislocated wrist in '17, never been the same since.

McCaffrey has been nothing but improving since we drafted him in '17. No, he can't go 1000/1000 every year BUT he follows a strict diet & knows how to take care of himself very very well. Stays out of trouble & has a Luke Kuechly like attitude. Bill Barnwell from ESPN.com (who's a brilliant sports analyst) analyzed each of the top paid RBs, their current contract & gave his opinion. Most of them, he did not like. However, his thoughts on CMC were different:

"Barring injury, my guess is that McCaffrey signs a five-year, $85 million extension sometime next summer. Given two years of top-level production and no injury history to speak of, I don't see a strong argument to let McCaffrey play out his deal and move on."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28121690/all-nfl-running-backs-get-paid-2020-why-recent-deals-look-disasters

McCaffrey is a very rare player. I say sign him NOW, but we'll probably wait until lesser players like Mixon, Conner & Cook sign. Kamara will likely sign after CMC.

Reading between the lines about all this for the last few months, those of us who have seen enough posts about it know why he is so vastly "different" from backs like Zeke and Gurley in the eyes of some.

Some of the remarks in this post aren't even thinly veiled. Criminal history, really?

[pantherclaw]

Besides CMC's production,  and being a huge part of our offense regardless whom is behind center.....

CMC truly is the current face of this franchise.

He represents what the team wants in players, accountability,  and leadership. 

They will not trade him away for picks. 

 

[rippadonn]

14 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Yes if we go full rebuild and are truly taking 5 years to rebuild, CMC makes zero sense on this team.  Trade him while he has value

The financial cost of tanking 5 years isn't something Tepper wants to pay for.

I'm not paying three hundred dollars or more to come watch JV football.

I'd go pay $70 total and take my family to the Hornets game and have a great time, win or lose its a party in that building.

[TheMaulClaw]

I think all of this is freaking retarded.  The cat is 23 years old.  There is absolutely no way we should trade him whatsoever.  We're a decent qb and a Dline away from being pretty competitive.  He will accelerate the growth of any qb we draft.  If we trade him it goes from 1 to 2 year rebuild to a five year rebuild.

[rippadonn]

I want STARS like Cam, CMC, Luke, Greg Olsen. Get rid of all our NFL great players and I'm out.

My family will not pay $300-500 to watch your dream JV team. F that. I'll go teal and purple completely.

[rippadonn]

Jerry Richardson at least tried every other year. One step forward two steps backwards into 2 SuperBowls in 12yrs.

Tanking is a bad idea. You play to win EVERY year. That is a weak mentality that is cancer to football.

Mediocrity is better than bottom feeding.

[kungfoodude]

12 hours ago, saX man said:

Burrata my friend is cheese.  Creamy fluff cheese.

Being an experimental sculptor in a US foodie capital, it is a thang and a perfecto parallel. 

 

Burrata is just Italian cheese jizz.

[stbugs]

18 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

I think all of this is freaking retarded.  The cat is 23 years old.  There is absolutely no way we should trade him whatsoever.  We're a decent qb and a Dline away from being pretty competitive.  He will accelerate the growth of any qb we draft.  If we trade him it goes from 1 to 2 year rebuild to a fire year rebuild.

This talk is purely a reaction from the if we get rid of Cam, we have to get rid of everyone. I still don’t get why they don’t want to trade Moore too. He’s 22 and just 1 year behind CMC.

It’s amazing that people don’t grasp the concept that CMC and Moore are exactly what we need for a 5 year plan. They will be in their prime for the entire run. With a rookie QB salary (like Mahomes or Watson), you’ve got money to throw around at your weapons. Did KC paying Watkins $14M a year for very little production cripple their cap? No. Will they be able to have him and Chris Jones when Mahomes is making elite money? Probably not. They paid their weapons (Kelce, Hill and I guess Watkins $40M and their LT $15M and it was easy because Mahomes is making $4M. When he gets his $40M+, that’s going to be difficult but he got the run and will get paid.

[CL1022]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

What team would be dumb enough to give us a first rounder for a recently injured quarterback we have displayed virtually zero public confidence in?

I'm not saying they necessarily would. I said a first this year or next (just to be clear) and since future picks tend to be worth about 1 round less in trade value, that would be like 2nd this year in value. I would also consider a 2nd rounder in 2020. If no one is willing to offer that then I think we are better off keeping him and hoping either his value increases for a sign/tag and trade situation next off-season, or that we extend him to a longer term contract if he comes back to Cam form. 

But I wouldn't dump him for a 3rd or less just for the sake of moving on. There's still too much upside to him for that. (IMHO)

[rippadonn]

Basketball is different, less moving parts, but Kody Zeller is still a valued Hornet, even Biz to a degree. Why?

Freaks of nature. You don't ever willingly let go of freaks of nature. Imagine the last Super Bowl if we had Pep and Smitty. We could have but didn't. You need to keep CMC, stop the foolishness and tell Cam you love him.

Draft a monster for the DLine or a blue chip LB. Get good veteran backups for the young oline that was injured.

[stbugs]

19 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Jerry Richardson at least tried every other year. One step forward two steps backwards into 2 SuperBowls in 12yrs.

Tanking is a bad idea. You play to win EVERY year. That is a weak mentality that is cancer to football.

Mediocrity is better than bottom feeding.

You are so wrong. We’ve tanked twice and got to the SB both times or did you forget? Mediocrity is what we’ve had since 2016. Maybe you get to the playoffs once in a while but it’s usually a first round exit. Sure, the Browns continually rebuild but that’s because they drafted like ass. One year of a terrible team and a few of a bad team isn’t a cancer. You’re being overly dramatic. There are many cases of a horrific record starting multi-year playoff runs. Us in 2001, 2010, Indy after Harbaugh got Manning and then got Luck, etc. You have to draft well when you are bottom feeding (usually a bad year before the tank, the tank year and 1-2 years after. Get the right guys and you’re back in the game. Draft like the Browns and you’re not. 

[KatsAzz]

The value for CMC will never be any higher than it currently is. The problem we have is that CMC may help us win enough games to be 8-8 team for a few years, which would hurt in drafting top players we would need to be constant winners.

He could very well be on a  downward trend skill wise with a big salary by the time we get the team built to the point of  resembling a contender. 

If (and this is a big if) some team was to offer us serious draft picks for him, there would never be a better time to accept the deal than the present.