CMC Trade Talk (Might as well get it out there)

[TheRed]

47 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Who will pay to see a team devoid of talent and leadership?  I strongly disagree with any parting of ways with CMC, especially after losing most of our leadership/jersey sales and possibly trading Cam.

I say extend CMC really right after you draft a QB for 5 years.  That way, CMC can get paid, and it gives us the best chance of winning with a rookie QB.  Then once that rookie QB needs a contract, CMC walks as a 28 year old RB.

How good did that "leadership" look in 2019 finishing on an 8 game losing streak though? You had Greg Olsen coming out and saying guys were more focused on looking good than playing good.

If we get the QB then absolutely keep CMC, he is a big help to a rookie quarterback, but if we aren't pursuing that guy as our highest priority after Newton is gone, hell to the no on signing CMC to a new contract any time soon. It's that straightforward and simple. Those fans jumping all over others over this fact are just emotionally attached.

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Seems like a legitimate discussion for a football forum during the off season.

Might not have a snowball's chance of happening, but why not consider the possibilities?

Not like there is a lot going on around here.

Bet a lot of Dallas Cowboy fans weren't too happy and were caught off guard when Herschel Walker was traded to the Vikings. 

Legitimate as a theoretical discussion, which is what I said in the beginning.

Trading Greg Little for three first round picks is also legitimate theoretically, but equally as likely to actually happen.

I'd add I'm not a big fan of "pot stirring". It usually leads to silliness. But yeah, people are bored, so...

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Legitimate as a theoretical discussion, which is what I said in the beginning.

Trading Greg Little for three first round picks is also legitimate theoretically, but equally as likely to actually happen.

I'd add I'm not a big fan of "pot stirring". It usually leads to silliness. But yeah, people are bored, so...

How on earth does this compare with some random scenario about trading one of our left tackles?

You are all up in your emotions over this huh?

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, TheRed said:

How on earth does this compare with some random scenario about trading one of our left tackles?

You are all up in your emotions over this huh?

Football transactions aren't something to get emotional over. They're not "real world" issues like illness, job loss, family problems, etc.

As to McCaffrey, if we traded him for a haul of picks similar to the Herschel Walker trade, I'd be okay with it. Surprised for sure, but not upset.

On the flipside, if we traded him for something less than that, I'd think it was stupid  Again though, "stupid" is something to laugh or shake your head at, not something to get emotional over.

Heck, if I got angry over stupid things, I'm pretty sure your posts would make me livid.

[WarHeel]

10 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Come on brodie, no tyrek hill and no hunt still balled out, Sammy Watkins not living up to his contract, still balled, came back from a dislocated knee in like 2 weeks, balled out 

and let’s not mention the playoff run....

Completely leave out Kelce. You think he balls out like that without him?

 

Not trying to take anything away from the season as he’s obviously top tier. I just feel like we throw around “elite” like we do “GOAT.” Needs to be used more conservatively.

[TheRed]

8 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

Completely leave out Kelce. You think he balls out like that without him?

You need to lay off the meth dude.

[WarHeel]

17 minutes ago, TheRed said:

You need to lay off the meth dude.

Thanks for the advice, Walter White.

[jtm]

CMC is one of the top players in the NFL and he isn’t going anywhere. Cam hasn’t been a good qb for years and folks need to deal with this reality. 

[CL1022]

This is a really fair topic, because there's a great argument for both sides.

CMC is way too versatile to lump into the traditional "expendable RB" category. He creates a lot of match-up challenges for a defense. If he is a part of the long term plan, I would like to see another back used to take some of the between the tackle touches from him during the "rebuild" years to make sure he has something left in the tank by the time we are competitive again. But he's just about the definition of a weapon you can build an offense around, especially if we end up with a young QB. 

On the other hand, especially in our current state, anybody should be on the block for the right price. We spent a top 10 pick to get CMC and he has probably outperformed even that expectation. So there's no way I'd accept less than a 1st and 2nd this year or two years of #1 picks for him. But if someone wants to pay that, we could probably replace a big piece of his production for less than $15-$20 million with the cap space and those picks. 

Oh, and since I'm obligated under the terms and conditions of the Huddle to mention Cam in every post, I will add that the same value argument exists for trading him. No chance in hell I'd trade him for a 3rd. I'll roll the dice all day before doing that. But for a 1st either this year or next, eh, hard to argue it considering the circumstances. 

 

 

[TheRed]

6 minutes ago, CL1022 said:

No chance in hell I'd trade him for a 3rd. I'll roll the dice all day before doing that. But for a 1st either this year or next, eh, hard to argue it considering the circumstances. 

What team would be dumb enough to give us a first rounder for a recently injured quarterback we have displayed virtually zero public confidence in?

[d-dave]

1 hour ago, TheRed said:

How good did that "leadership" look in 2019 finishing on an 8 game losing streak though? You had Greg Olsen coming out and saying guys were more focused on looking good than playing good.

If we get the QB then absolutely keep CMC, he is a big help to a rookie quarterback, but if we aren't pursuing that guy as our highest priority after Newton is gone, hell to the no on signing CMC to a new contract any time soon. It's that straightforward and simple. Those fans jumping all over others over this fact are just emotionally attached.

I'm being logical with a small bit of emotions.  CMC will be the engine of the offense.  Regardless if it's Cam or Rookie QB, you are going to be going through CMC both running and catching passes.  Unless you get a Herschel Walker haul, there's no real replacement value for him.  That would be the only way I'd consider letting CMC out of Carolina.

I still think that you have to pay him.  He's 24 years old.  Now is the best time to pay him to actually earn the cash.  Nothing worse than paying a 28 year old RB (Think on that Marty!).  You take care of him, and he plays his contract out while a rookie QB is on their rookie deal.  CMC is a transcendent talent.  He's a building block who is still young.  If we can get Cam back to healthy, and square away our offensive line, then we can be competitive in 2020 while the defense is a work in progress.

To let him go for any reason other than a massive haul of picks and/or players would be foolish and a BAD investment.  

[TheRed]

11 minutes ago, d-dave said:

I'm being logical with a small bit of emotions.  CMC will be the engine of the offense.  Regardless if it's Cam or Rookie QB, you are going to be going through CMC both running and catching passes.  Unless you get a Herschel Walker haul, there's no real replacement value for him.  That would be the only way I'd consider letting CMC out of Carolina.

I still think that you have to pay him.  He's 24 years old.  Now is the best time to pay him to actually earn the cash.  Nothing worse than paying a 28 year old RB (Think on that Marty!).  You take care of him, and he plays his contract out while a rookie QB is on their rookie deal.  CMC is a transcendent talent.  He's a building block who is still young.  If we can get Cam back to healthy, and square away our offensive line, then we can be competitive in 2020 while the defense is a work in progress.

To let him go for any reason other than a massive haul of picks and/or players would be foolish and a BAD investment.  

In no way should we trade him for the sake of trading. We need significant compensation. My preference if this is under consideration would be to possibly package Newton and McCaffrey to move up in this years draft and pursue our quarterback of the future now. That should be our first and highest priority by any means neccessary. There are just no guarantees with this tanking talk hoping everything somehow perfectly falls into place for us to be able to take Trevor Lawrence or whoever in 2021, and you're wasting prime valuable years of other talented players doing so. That is stupid. That is not a rebuild.

All that being said, running backs in the NFL are becoming a dime a dozen. I'm sick of having to try and drill this into everyone's head. The engine of our offense couldn't get one yard against the second worst team in our division with the game on the line in our own house. Is he very talented? Absolutely. Can we get relatively comparable production elsewhere while acquiring our QB and rebuilding the line without handing a running back the highest contract at his position? I think so. At the very least it is a possible scenario we have to consider if our goal is to ultimately build up the team and start winning again.

[onmyown]

loooool

desperate times in creepy cam fanboy world 

[TheRed]

7 minutes ago, onmyown said:

loooool

desperate times in creepy cam fanboy world 

You've been on the huddle through all of one season. I'm assuming you weren't around for 2010. If you think this is the worst it could get you won't last.