Rappaport on the pending trade market for Cam

[DubE_4MR]

If you rebuild around Cam you have to draft extremely well and develop day 2/3 picks, UDFAs and find bargain veteran contributors like in 2015. Long-term your salary cap, assuming he returns to his normal self, it could look like:

Cam ($35M+)

CMC ($18M)

Moton ($15M)

DJ ($18M)

Shaq $13M)

 

That's almost $100M on 5 players. It shows why it's easier to rebuild around a QB on a rookie deal and use your cap on defense, OL and playmakers. 

 

It can be done though because I trust Matt Rhule's ability to develop players and get the most out of 2-3 star prospects. But at the same time, I can see why they are taking their time with this decision.

 

[AggieLean]

14 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m not saying we should even keep Cam. Honestly Cam needs to go. It’s better for him, his health and his career. This franchise is a dumpster fire. What I’m saying is, without a franchise qb, and us being devoid of major talent at key positions it would be better for us to trade cmc now as well to speed up that rebuild process. He’s a running back. His career year, historical year with him as the focal point we went 5-11 and he was stopped on the 1 yard line three times to win or tie the game. he is not a franchise winning player. He’s a great player who is a puzzle piece. But we have no nucleus for him to help us win games.

We need high picks and a ton of them. We’re looking down a 4-5 year rebuild. I’d like to see it done in 3 but I don’t see it with college coaches, Marty hurney and us banking on draft picks. People need to prepare themselves for a ton of shitty panther football for a long time.

This whole thing, but even moreso the bold!

[Ricky Spanish]

20 minutes ago, JB82887 said:

So the Saints should have traded Drew Brees when they were rebuilding between stretches of competitive football over the last decade?  Somehow we live in a world where that makes sense?  He has proven he can play efficient football in the pocket (see 2018, pre-injury).  Tom Brady tore his ACL at 31, maybe the Patriots should’ve dumped him!  Thomas Davis tore 3 ACLs and we brought him back during a rebuild! I don’t understand what people think when they imply that by rebuilding it makes sense to get rid of ALL good pieces you have.  Because it provides draft capital?  The draft is a crapshoot (much, much, much, much) less likely to return anything remotely resembling the value (duh, Hurney!) that even 70% Cam would bring.  I was 7 was the Panthers became a team and have been raised as a fan living 10 minutes from the stadium my entire life.  I’ve been a fan since the Colts coach and Jack Trudeau were our quarterbacks, nobody walking the earth can call me a Cam Stan.  Everyone that wants to rush him out of the door is VERY misguided.  The 90s 49ers, 2000s Packers and 2010s Colts are basically the only teams that have transitioned from one great QB directly into another.  Even the Patriots, the most successful franchise ever, haven’t cast aside their top QB.  It is not misguided to discuss or argue if we think management will move on, but that does not validate the move as successful or intelligent.  The existing regime had better be absolutely sure they have a 10000000% bullet proof go forward strategy if it includes ejecting Cam.  He does not grow on trees, and while I have many, many more thoughts on the matter I am bored of typing.

Drew Brees wasn't coming of 3 season ending injuries in 4 years. 

Neither was Tom Brady. They also weren't rebuilding. They haven't had to rebuild in 2 decades. 

No one wanted to trade for TD and he was cheap at the time. The onus was on him to come back and prove he could stay healthy. We also had just drafted a franchise QB (Cam) the most important position on the team to piece together. There was no reason to dump him if he was willing to play.

Cam hasn't played an entire season healthy since 2015, and that includes 2017 where he had many ups and downs and was on a pitch count at practice limiting his preparation on a weekly basis. Cam plays QB different than any QB in the league including Lamar Jackson. Cam has taken more hits in his career than Ben Rothelisburger in his. That means Cam's 31 year old body potentially has the mileage of a 38+ year old. That ain't good, especially the way he plays the game.

I wish it weren't the case but I am almost 100% prepared to move on from Cam this offseason and tank for the best QB next year. Rivera and Co rode that horse into the ground and he's potentially permanently broken because of it. 

[panther4life]

22 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m not saying we should even keep Cam. Honestly Cam needs to go. It’s better for him, his health and his career. This franchise is a dumpster fire. What I’m saying is, without a franchise qb, and us being devoid of major talent at key positions it would be better for us to trade cmc now as well to speed up that rebuild process. He’s a running back. His career year, historical year with him as the focal point we went 5-11 and he was stopped on the 1 yard line three times to win or tie the game. he is not a franchise winning player. He’s a great player who is a puzzle piece. But we have no nucleus for him to help us win games.

We need high picks and a ton of them. We’re looking down a 4-5 year rebuild. I’d like to see it done in 3 but I don’t see it with college coaches, Marty hurney and us banking on draft picks. People need to prepare themselves for a ton of shitty panther football for a long time.

I see your point about McCaffrey. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if we decided to move on from him and can fetch decent value in return. 

The rebuild can certainly be done in less. The main ingredient to that is having the right head coach and finding the right QB to pair with him. Only time will tell if Rhule is the guy. In addition to that we can't expect to draft an entire new roster of talent. By the time we start developing talent, rookie deals will again be expiring. Got to have a decent mixture. Which could be an argument to keep McCaffrey. 

 

[Madwolf]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Because Tepper seems hell-bent on making this HIS team. Cam isn't his QB.

Honestly, I'm concerned that we might have Dan Snyder v. 2.0 in Tepper.

Basically where I'm at with Tepper. Either he's going to be a great owner, or he's going to be a tire fire meddling owner.

[saX man]

34 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Okay so say we give it a year. By this time next year we are facing a record contract for CMC which could balloon even more depending on the designation considering how much we use him as a receiver. So do we pay him if we still aren't any closer to acquiring our quarterback of the future?

If you're asking me, I don't think we do as the value added isn't worth the contract bottom line. 

He's a dynamic guy and all but the life of an NFL RB is not what it used to be.  I mean, if someone offers the farm for him, sure let's do it but let's give it a year to see how much of a team this staff puts together.  If we don't seem far off after a season with the new crew, then maybe we can figure out a path with him in short order.  If not, a tag right now for a RB is only $12 mil, at this time next year, probably around the same amount.  I can see 31 teams interested in CMC.          

[TheRumGone]

8 minutes ago, panther4life said:

I see your point about McCaffrey. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if we decided to move on from him and can fetch decent value in return. 

The rebuild can certainly be done in less. The main ingredient to that is having the right head coach and finding the right QB to pair with him. Only time will tell if Rhule is the guy. In addition to that we can't expect to draft an entire new roster of talent. By the time we start developing talent, rookie deals will again be expiring. Got to have a decent mixture. Which could be an argument to keep McCaffrey. 

 

This is not likely. We’ll have to get pretty lucky. Which is why I’d trade cmc right now to up those odds.

[saX man]

To supplement the CMC trade talk:

 

[Madwolf]

The trade CMC talk is by far the most absurd talk I've ever heard.

He's what, 22 or 23? The idea that he's too old, even at RB, to be useful during or after this rebuild is quite possibly the most stunning assertion I've heard about this football team in a LONG time.

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, Madwolf said:

The trade CMC talk is by far the most absurd talk I've ever heard.

He's what, 22 or 23? The idea that he's too old, even at RB, to be useful during or after this rebuild is quite possibly the most stunning assertion I've heard about this football team in a LONG time.

Emotions.  It's all emotional tantrums thrown around because some just can't handle the idea of their idol not being on this team.  That's why I never get attached to these guys.  NFL careers are short and it's extremely rare they go out they way they want.  It is what it is.

[Snake]

Trade him for a first and I'm good with it as much as it would pain me. Hopefully a top 15 first. 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

There's no guarantee they extend him at this point.  Maybe they will, maybe they won't.  He is a valuable young asset that could be traded or extended at any point in the future.  But I guess blood must be shed to atone for the departure of Newton if it comes to that.

Very true, it may not happen, but I can’t see them parting with newton and then cmc at some point. 

 

By blood do you mean getting rid of CMC? I’m not for getting rid of him either, he’s one of the best if not the best, backs in league. But ppl stating it’s a rebuild and then getting rid of cam but building around an rb doesn’t seem like it works. 

[TheRumGone]

10 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

The trade CMC talk is by far the most absurd talk I've ever heard.

He's what, 22 or 23? The idea that he's too old, even at RB, to be useful during or after this rebuild is quite possibly the most stunning assertion I've heard about this football team in a LONG time.

Why does it matter if he’s useful during a rebuild? We’re not winning so who cares. The end of his contract aligns with when we figure to start fielding consistent teams. The point is to get to that consistency sooner rather than later which is why people are for trading him. Securing some 1st and 2nd round picks to reinvest in positions that actually equate to winning. Like franchise LTs, or DTs or edge rushers, ect.

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Emotions.  It's all emotional tantrums thrown around because some just can't handle the idea of their idol not being on this team.  That's why I never get attached to these guys.  NFL careers are short and it's extremely rare they go out they way they want.  It is what it is.

This is ironic and part of the reason people want to trade cmc. Running backs have most of the shortest career spans in the NFL. You guys are the ones taking this personally. Some of us are trying to be smart about how we think we should build a contender in the quickest possible way. What is the point of having a 100+ million dollar rb in a rebuild? Why not use those assets we could get from him right now to secure franchise players at positions of extreme importance? Seems like y’all are the emotional ones.

[TheRed]

20 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Emotions.  It's all emotional tantrums thrown around because some just can't handle the idea of their idol not being on this team. 

Cam Newton isn't by any means the only player fans are getting emotional over. Certainly won't be the last.

That being said, I will absolutely be interested to see how prevalent this constant discussion of emotions in the possibility of retaining players will be when the time comes to extend McCaffrey.