Rappaport on the pending trade market for Cam

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Okay so say we give it a year. By this time next year we are facing a record contract for CMC which could balloon even more depending on the designation considering how much we use him as a receiver. So do we pay him if we still aren't any closer to acquiring our quarterback of the future?

If you can get a first for him I probably would do it.  Like I said in another thread I would at least call the Raiders and see if they would do Cam/Cmac for their 2 firsts.  They may laugh or they may counter or even accept if cam passes a physical.  At least try.  3 firsts this year would expedite the process significantly

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, The Lobo said:

Agreed. It just sucks though, we shouldn’t trade him but it’s looking more and more like we will, So we can pay 100m to a rb and call it “rebuilding”. 

Where did you hear they planned to extend CMC at 100m?  Matter of fact where did you hear they planned to extend him at all?

[TheRumGone]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

Ah, gotcha, that makes sense.  I dont believe the 5 year timeline.  Assuming the coaches are as good as advertised and with a couple of good drafts we can be competitive but yeah right now we have gaping holes in every position unit.  Which ultimately I think Tepper recognizes and will fault Hurney for it and tells him to hit the bricks.  I am pretty confident he is not in any long term plans for this team.

This is not easy and unknown. Odds are stacked against us that Rhule is gonna end up sucking majority. I obviously hope this is not what happens. 
 

Think of 2010-2015. 6 year span rebuild. It took us 6 years to see the fruits of those draft picks bring us to the super bowl. This is gonna be a long hard road. And if we miss on picks. We’re fuged.

[panther4life]

6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

Let’s say we get rid of Cam and get a mid first round pick for him (lol).

and we start building this team from scratch. How long do people think it will take to build a team with no qb, one talented olineman, one budding star wr, one talented 3-4 edge rusher and one talented linebacker? We severely lack talent at multiple key positions.
 

I don’t think you people understand that we are going to have to hit on picks MASSIVELY for us to turn this around in 2 or 3 years. This is more than likely a 5 year rebuild. And at that point you trade cmc right now to make that a faster transition.

this on top of a college coach with college coordinators. And Marty Hurney as the GM right now. Sorry folks but this has a very strong chance of being a complete and total dumpster fire for a decade.

Nobody would be talking about trading Cam if he was playing the way he did his first 5 years. Instead the talk would be about a record breaking contract extension. There’s not much evidence to support we will ever see the Cam we once knew again. 
 

If we do move on from Cam then priority number 1 over the next 2 years will be finding a long term solution to replace him. If we do keep him and he doesn’t return to form, we have 20 million less cap space and nothing to show for him. 
 

It’s a huge gamble either way, if we keep him and have the good fortune of him returning to prominence, then we will earn a contract with 100 million guaranteed and our next 3-4 years will hinge completely around him carrying us on his back again. If for some reason he goes down with injury again or does not play up to expectations throughout that contract we’re dead and have wasted the first 4 years of a head coach we just paid stupid money for.

If we move on and salvage some value out of him now, we gain the cap space, plus whatever we net in return. Then we go all in either this year or next on getting the QB of the future on a rookie contract. I’m all for trading the house to land our own version of Mahomes, Jackson,  or Watson on a rookie contract and building the foundation around that. If we don’t get that lucky maybe we can at least land a Wentz,Goff or Allen type, which have all been good enough to lead their teams to the playoffs as well.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

Where did you hear they planned to extend CMC at 100m?  Matter of fact where did you hear they planned to extend him at all?

I think jourdan R made an off hand tweet about potentially locking him up this off season.  Which in my mind would be one of the dumbest moves would could make right now.

[countryboi]

once again Cam is young enough to live though a rebuild. QB dont age like any other position and teams dont have the luxury of rebuilding they have to be ready to compete every team. 

[MVPccaffrey]

I bet Tepper has visions of CMC and Trevor Lawrence in that same backfield and I can't blame him.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

I think jourdan R made an off hand tweet about potentially locking him up this off season.  Which in my mind would be one of the dumbest moves would could make right now.

Agree.  There is no reason to extend him now.  Hell they may trade him next off-season to move up in the draft.  I don't get why everyone wants to get ride of him now if Cam is released or traded unless it's just Cam fans wanting their retribution for letting go of their idol.

[The Lobo]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Where did you hear they planned to extend CMC at 100m?  Matter of fact where did you hear they planned to extend him at all?

I didn’t hear, just going off of Zeke and Gurley contracts and increasing it bc every year price goes up. 

[JB82887]

51 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Because this team isn't a healthy Cam away from competing. 

We're a healthy Cam, New O-Line, New D-line, and new secondary away.

Makes sense to trade the guy with the highest price tag and lowest hit away for draft capital to try to fill those holes. 

So the Saints should have traded Drew Brees when they were rebuilding between stretches of competitive football over the last decade?  Somehow we live in a world where that makes sense?  He has proven he can play efficient football in the pocket (see 2018, pre-injury).  Tom Brady tore his ACL at 31, maybe the Patriots should’ve dumped him!  Thomas Davis tore 3 ACLs and we brought him back during a rebuild! I don’t understand what people think when they imply that by rebuilding it makes sense to get rid of ALL good pieces you have.  Because it provides draft capital?  The draft is a crapshoot (much, much, much, much) less likely to return anything remotely resembling the value (duh, Hurney!) that even 70% Cam would bring.  I was 7 was the Panthers became a team and have been raised as a fan living 10 minutes from the stadium my entire life.  I’ve been a fan since the Colts coach and Jack Trudeau were our quarterbacks, nobody walking the earth can call me a Cam Stan.  Everyone that wants to rush him out of the door is VERY misguided.  The 90s 49ers, 2000s Packers and 2010s Colts are basically the only teams that have transitioned from one great QB directly into another.  Even the Patriots, the most successful franchise ever, haven’t cast aside their top QB.  It is not misguided to discuss or argue if we think management will move on, but that does not validate the move as successful or intelligent.  The existing regime had better be absolutely sure they have a 10000000% bullet proof go forward strategy if it includes ejecting Cam.  He does not grow on trees, and while I have many, many more thoughts on the matter I am bored of typing.

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, panther4life said:

Nobody would be talking about trading Cam if he was playing the way he did his first 5 years. Instead the talk would be about a record breaking contract extension. There’s not much evidence to support we will ever see the Cam we once knew again. 
 

If we do move on from Cam then priority number 1 over the next 2 years will be finding a long term solution to replace him. If we do keep him and he doesn’t return to form, we have 20 million less cap space and nothing to show for him. 
 

It’s a huge gamble either way, if we keep him and have the good fortune of him returning to prominence, then we will earn a contract with 100 million guaranteed and our next 3-4 years will hinge completely around him carrying us on his back again. If for some reason he goes down with injury again or does not play up to expectations throughout that contract we’re dead and have wasted the first 4 years of a head coach we just paid stupid money for.

If we move on and salvage some value out of him now, we gain the cap space, plus whatever we net in return. Then we go all in either this year or next on getting the QB of the future on a rookie contract. I’m all for trading the house to land our own version of Mahomes, Jackson,  or Watson on a rookie contract and building the foundation around that. If we don’t get that lucky maybe we can at least land a Wentz,Goff or Allen type, which have all been good enough to lead their teams to the playoffs as well.

I’m not saying we should even keep Cam. Honestly Cam needs to go. It’s better for him, his health and his career. This franchise is a dumpster fire. What I’m saying is, without a franchise qb, and us being devoid of major talent at key positions it would be better for us to trade cmc now as well to speed up that rebuild process. He’s a running back. His career year, historical year with him as the focal point we went 5-11 and he was stopped on the 1 yard line three times to win or tie the game. he is not a franchise winning player. He’s a great player who is a puzzle piece. But we have no nucleus for him to help us win games.

We need high picks and a ton of them. We’re looking down a 4-5 year rebuild. I’d like to see it done in 3 but I don’t see it with college coaches, Marty hurney and us banking on draft picks. People need to prepare themselves for a ton of shitty panther football for a long time.

[mrcompletely11]

After Chris Johnson's record year he was in a pretty steady decline, had another good year at 27 then pretty much fell off.  It goes quick if you force feed the ball to a running back.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, joeyxfresco said:

Why would Carolina trade a healthy Cam if he’s willing to play out the last year of his contract?

Because Tepper seems hell-bent on making this HIS team. Cam isn't his QB.

Honestly, I'm concerned that we might have Dan Snyder v. 2.0 in Tepper.

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

I didn’t hear, just going off of Zeke and Gurley contracts and increasing it bc every year price goes up. 

There's no guarantee they extend him at this point.  Maybe they will, maybe they won't.  He is a valuable young asset that could be traded or extended at any point in the future.  But I guess blood must be shed to atone for the departure of Newton if it comes to that.