Rappaport on the pending trade market for Cam

[Brooklyn 3.0]

11 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

19m used for what? A pick? If it’s a throw away pick just release him. This just seems like a frantic way of handle the situation and not going about it the best way for the organization 

19m in cap space is nothing to sneeze at. Picks are for building. What IS the best way for the org?

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

19m in cap space is nothing to sneeze at. Picks are for building. What IS the best way for the org?

Saving 19 and spending 10 of it on a vet Qb defeats the purpose.

I've stated above my logical approach to the situation 

 

[TheRed]

9 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Good question but the thing that’s throwing me in a loop is the comments all three have made throughout this process, I’m not a big fan of double talk so I take what Rhule, tepper and cam have said as a indication of the direction of the franchise, him wanting his guys ect than praising cam over and over is counter productive imo, I figured the buck stop at front office and head coach, I wouldn’t expect him to leak into changes on the roster as well unless a player was pending a huge extension 

The inconsistency and double talk could have a ripple effect if things continue to get sour with all this Cam trade/release stuff. Especially for a newcomer owner who is clearly trying to put his own stamp on this franchise rather than defer to those in the front office and speak through them. If Panthers fans regard this as entirely inconsequential then they do so at their own peril.

[Mother Grabber]

7 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The inconsistency and double talk could have a ripple effect if things continue to get sour with all this Cam trade/release stuff. Especially for a newcomer owner who is clearly trying to put his own stamp on this franchise rather than defer to those in the front office and speak through them. If Panthers fans regard this as entirely inconsequential then they do so at their own peril.

Is that really necessary?

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Mother Grabber said:

Is that really necessary?

Bro are you that mad about a random innocuous quote from me from earlier in the day that you seek me out twice late in the evening over it?

I'm sorry. You good? Have a nice evening bud.

[Cpt slay a ho]

15 minutes ago, TheRed said:

The inconsistency and double talk could have a ripple effect if things continue to get sour with all this Cam trade/release stuff. Especially for a newcomer owner who is clearly trying to put his own stamp on this franchise rather than defer to those in the front office and speak through them. If Panthers fans regard this as entirely inconsequential then they do so at their own peril.

Right, me being one of them, I can only take what they’ve said at face value and to say the things they have than turn around and let’s say trade cam for a 3rd or 4th after saying they’d want considerable compensation for him would not bode well for me personally as a support of tepper, not that it matters but I’d respect him and everyone involved more if they’d just tell us what’s what from the beginning instead up fluffing us up just to throw a curve ball 

[falconidae]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

That’s a tired narrative that needs to die, the team lost, and the same team with a healthy kyle Allen replicated the same exact thing the following season. The fact is even after the Steelers game cam still had 2-3 performances afterwards that were good enough to win if the defense wasn’t Swiss cheese.

The rushing is exaggerated, his rush attempts were way down in 2018 and he was on pace to have the best passing year of his career. 

I doubt he retires barring another major injury, he’s had two years to rest and really is 3-4 decent seasons away from locking up a HOF spot. 
 

First 7 years Cam averaged 118 attempts a year, in 2018 , he had 101 attempts and missed two games, how is that rush attempts were way down?

Break it down by rush attempts per game:

7.6 attempts a game first 7 years
7.2 attempts a game 2018

That projects to 115 attempts over a 16 game season. That is not  down at all, much less way down.

Counting playoffs, Cam  rushed 994 times in his first 8 years, if you think that doesn't take a toll on the body, don't know what to tell you.

And, no, in 2018, when he went on IR, he wasn't on pace for a career high in passing yards, passing TDs, INTs, TD to INT ratio, YPA or any stat other than completion %. 

Main reason I wouldn't be shocked if he retired is because it seems like he only wants to play the game one way- rushing the ball 7.6 times a game, taking deep shots- basically , he'd like to do 2015 every year. Can't say I blame him.

But he can't, to play several more years, he's going to have to make the transition to pocket passer that every running QB has to make to stay in the league.  He may decide he just doesn't want to do that, that, when he can no longer play the game the way he's always played it, he'll stop playing. Which is a decision I would respect.

I am NOT saying he can't be a pocket passer, just that he doesn't want to be one.

And, I could be wrong, Cam could be healthy, carry the team and have 2015 numbers as a pocket passer in 2020.

[GoPanthers123]

6 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

wow, the mvp??? wouldn't want to lose the most valuable player on a uh...5-11 team that lost 8 in a row to finish the season lol

Rebuild involves keeping the best players and replacing the rest.  CMC is our best player. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

9 minutes ago, falconidae said:

First 7 years Cam averaged 118 attempts a year, in 2018 , he had 101 attempts and missed two games, how is that rush attempts were way down?

Break it down by rush attempts per game:

7.6 attempts a game first 7 years
7.2 attempts a game 2018

That projects to 115 attempts over a 16 game season. That is not  down at all, much less way down.

Counting playoffs, Cam  rushed 994 times in his first 8 years, if you think that doesn't take a toll on the body, don't know what to tell you.

And, no, in 2018, when he went on IR, he wasn't on pace for a career high in passing yards, passing TDs, INTs, TD to INT ratio, YPA or any stat other than completion %. 

Main reason I wouldn't be shocked if he retired is because it seems like he only wants to play the game one way- rushing the ball 7.6 times a game, taking deep shots- basically , he'd like to do 2015 every year. Can't say I blame him.

But he can't, to play several more years, he's going to have to make the transition to pocket passer that every running QB has to make to stay in the league.  He may decide he just doesn't want to do that, that, when he can no longer play the game the way he's always played it, he'll stop playing. Which is a decision I would respect.

I am NOT saying he can't be a pocket passer, just that he doesn't want to be one.

And, I could be wrong, Cam could be healthy, carry the team and have 2015 numbers as a pocket passer in 2020.

There’s statements from cam about wanting to and understanding he needs to remain in the pocket to prolong his career, I’ve never heard him say Anything about not being one.

prior to the Steelers game cam was on pace to eclipse his tds, ints, td to int ratio, qb rating ect. He was almost having a better year than his mvp minus the rushing. 
 

he had 101 rushing attempts in 2018 compared to 139 attempts the previous years I’d say that’s down.

there hasn’t been any indication of retirement or wanting to play the game his way from cam, he adapted well with norv. 

[falconidae]

34 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

There’s statements from cam about wanting to and understanding he needs to remain in the pocket to prolong his career, I’ve never heard him say Anything about not being one.

prior to the Steelers game cam was on pace to eclipse his tds, ints, td to int ratio, qb rating ect. He was almost having a better year than his mvp minus the rushing. 
 

he had 101 rushing attempts in 2018 compared to 139 attempts the previous years I’d say that’s down.

there hasn’t been any indication of retirement or wanting to play the game his way from cam, he adapted well with norv. 

In 2017, he played in 16 games and rushed   139 times, for an average of 8.7 attempts per game

In 2018, he rushed for 101 attempts in 14 games and 7.2 attempts per game. That's just not that much of a difference per game. Last 2 games of 2017, Cam ran it 25 times, if he'd played the last two games and done that in 2018, you're talking about 126 rushing attempts in 2018.

Yes, he ran more in 2017, but in 2018, he basically reverted back to his career average of 118 attempts a year. Which is WAY more than any other QB has ever done for multiple years, as in Cam has more rushing attempts than any NFL QB ever. More 100 attempt years than any other QB, more 125+ attempt years than anybody else. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body, then you add in all the hits that he's gotten in the pocket and his reckless style of play- he's really been beat up in nine years. Sure he may recover and play for another 8-10 years, he may have also pushed his body past the breaking point and never be the same player again.

 

And, I seem to remember quotes from Cam about not wanting to change the way he plays.

[MHS831]

Cam had his shoulder surgery in March and missed camp/preseason.

He injured his foot in preseason and was benched after week 2.  When did he have his surgery?  December.

I just wonder if this has not angered the Panthers.  I realize that there are variables and excuses available, but that is odd.

[MHS831]

8 hours ago, falconidae said:

In 2017, he played in 16 games and rushed   139 times, for an average of 8.7 attempts per game

In 2018, he rushed for 101 attempts in 14 games and 7.2 attempts per game. That's just not that much of a difference per game. Last 2 games of 2017, Cam ran it 25 times, if he'd played the last two games and done that in 2018, you're talking about 126 rushing attempts in 2018.

Yes, he ran more in 2017, but in 2018, he basically reverted back to his career average of 118 attempts a year. Which is WAY more than any other QB has ever done for multiple years, as in Cam has more rushing attempts than any NFL QB ever. More 100 attempt years than any other QB, more 125+ attempt years than anybody else. That's a lot of wear and tear on the body, then you add in all the hits that he's gotten in the pocket and his reckless style of play- he's really been beat up in nine years. Sure he may recover and play for another 8-10 years, he may have also pushed his body past the breaking point and never be the same player again.

 

And, I seem to remember quotes from Cam about not wanting to change the way he plays.

Yep.  Nice post.

[MHS831]

9 hours ago, falconidae said:

I am NOT saying he can't be a pocket passer, just that he doesn't want to be one.

And, I could be wrong, Cam could be healthy, carry the team and have 2015 numbers as a pocket passer in 2020.

Fundamentally---I do not see it at this point.  His feet are terrible (Probably because his brain is telling him to run for it.)

[Carl Spackler]

18 hours ago, TheRed said:

Go cry in a corner about how awful your boy Grier is.

But you're not mad, right lol