Rappaport on the pending trade market for Cam

[Brooklyn 3.0]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Why not keep him? You’ve already stated you opinion on cam so no need to go down that road again, keeping him extends option for next year, and this one. 

id like to draft and groom a qb before throwing him out there via trial by fire 
 

 

Why not? He's more valuable now rather than hoping he balls out and doesn't get hurt to improve his value.

[Cpt slay a ho]

15 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I agree with you on hanging onto him and seeing what he can do next season.  And depending on how things go, if he looks good and some contender's starter goes down or somebody who is lacking at QB manages to go crazy, there may be options at or prior to the deadline if we want to go that way.

Somebody has to play the position next year.  The worse that somebody plays, the more critical it is to find THE starter quickly.  If Cam can play as a healthy, 2020 version (I'm not buying the idea that he can recreate the 2015 version), we have the luxury of some time that can be used to address our other many needs while being selective about who the heir apparent is.  The worst that can happen is either get nothing in return for Cam (he walks or can't stay healthy) or we win enough and move down in the draft.  But, there is no rule or even trend that good starting QBs are only taken in the first five picks of a draft.  As for losing a potential third round pick because Cam walks or can't stay healthy, our track record in those rounds is less than stellar, anyway.  As long as Hurney is pulling the levers on draft picks, I don't consider mid and late round picks as assets of any great significance. 

Long story short, I don't see a big downside to suiting him up next year and letting the chips fall where they may.

Tanking never works out the way a team hopes.  Somebody is always going to naturally stink the place up better than anybody can design and execute incompetence. 

 

Agreed, also depending on how well cam plays if kept, we have to option to keep him and extend him or trade him, we can still trade up and grab a qb with cam on the roster and if we’re unable to do so you still can fallback on cam if needed,it’s just the logical route imo, if we can get a full seasons of 2018 cam I mean I’ll sign up for that for the next 3-5 years. 2015 I don’t care to replicate at this stage of his career. 
 

[Sgt Schultz]

9 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Why not? He's more valuable now rather than hoping he balls out and doesn't get hurt to improve his value.

Problem is he may not be worth enough right now in trade value to make the equation much different either way. 

If we are going to move on from Cam, last year was about the worst possible outcome.  He was a question coming into the season, and nothing happened to answer that question.  Even if he was mediocre last year, just playing the entire season would have been an answer.

[Cpt slay a ho]

11 minutes ago, falconidae said:

I'm only talking about this coming year, signing him to a huge long term contract wouldn't be  good. But, keeping arguably the best player on the team for a year makes sense. You may not like the reasons it makes sense, doesn't change the fact they're good reasons.

Cam has lost 8 straight games and had 2 surgeries last year, plus one in 2016. 3 major surgeries in 3 years is a concern. Plus, there's the fact that Cam, since he came into the league, is top 25 in rushing attempts and top 16 in rushing yardage and top 5 in rushing TDs.  There's one other QB inside the top 80 attempts- Wilson at 40. That's a lot of wear and tear, in addition to the hits he gets in the pocket. Not sure that there's a whole lot of evidence for leaning either way. Really looks like his style of play, exacerbated by the type of offense he played and the lack of consistent OLine play has worn him down. 

 

Paying 30 mil plus a bunch of draft picks for Cam after a healthy 2020 may not be as attractive an idea as you think. 

Wouldn't be stunned if he retired when his contract expires- he'll have made 140 mil playing, easily another 50 mil, if not much more, in endorsements, he has businesses already, he's beloved in the Carolinas, he can make 10 mil a year with sports broadcasting and endorsements, without 300 lb pound men hitting him on a regular basis. 

 

 

 

That’s a tired narrative that needs to die, the team lost, and the same team with a healthy kyle Allen replicated the same exact thing the following season. The fact is even after the Steelers game cam still had 2-3 performances afterwards that were good enough to win if the defense wasn’t Swiss cheese.

The rushing is exaggerated, his rush attempts were way down in 2018 and he was on pace to have the best passing year of his career. 

I doubt he retires barring another major injury, he’s had two years to rest and really is 3-4 decent seasons away from locking up a HOF spot. 
 

[Cpt slay a ho]

15 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Why not? He's more valuable now rather than hoping he balls out and doesn't get hurt to improve his value.

He’s not hence why the plan to move on from him isn’t/wasn’t well thought out, Grier is the first guy drafted that could have been groom as The future replacement. Kinda short sighted to expect him to be ready by now with the dumpster fire of a coaching staff we had last season 

[Wanderlai]

2 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

probably. so if the choice is to cut him for nothing or play him, why cut him? unless cam is refusing to play but even then, owners don’t like it when players dictate their situation. it’s not like the heir apparent is on the roster. we got our first look at the post-cam panthers and it really, really sucked lol. keeping him is a no risk move. 

The risk in keeping him is we win 5-6 games and loose draft position. That’s worst case for a rebuilding team. I just don’t think Tepper is going to keep Cam even if he checks all the healthy boxes. He said the rebuild will be longer than he first expected so no way he is paying Cam going forward. Honestly if I was Cam I wouldn’t want to stick around. They never even tried to give him legit offensive weapons. It was always Greg and a bunch of fill in the blank blank guys. Crazy how he had the offense rolling in 2015 with Ted Ginn Jr being his best wife out. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

34 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

He’s not hence why the plan to move on from him isn’t/wasn’t well thought out, Grier is the first guy drafted that could have been groom as The future replacement. Kinda short sighted to expect him to be ready by now with the dumpster fire of a coaching staff we had last season 

It won't be Grier if they get rid of Cam. They'll sign a 1-2 yr FA vet while they figure out who the hell the next QB is.

[Cpt slay a ho]

8 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

It won't be Grier if they get rid of Cam. They'll sign a 1-2 yr FA vet while they figure out who the hell the next QB is.

Signing a vet is pointless if it’s a stop gap, defeats the purpose of trading cam.

[saX man]

9 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

It won't be Grier if they get rid of Cam. They'll sign a 1-2 yr FA vet while they figure out who the hell the next QB is.

Sudfeld will lead the way to Justin Fields and we will become giants among men.  The Nephilim of the NFL. 

Derrick Brown 2020, Justin Fields 2021, Love and Passion 2022

[Brooklyn 3.0]

6 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Signing a vet is pointless if it’s a stop gap, defeats the purpose of trading cam.

The purpose of trading Cam is to get 19m off the books and maybe get a pick.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Signing a vet is pointless if it’s a stop gap, defeats the purpose of trading cam.

I agree.  But something has been gnawing at me in the back of my mind about this whole Cam staying/going thing that I haven't seen discussed.  What if Cam's health or the questions about it aren't the only reason there's rumors of a change at the QB position?  Could it also be about this culture change we have been hearing Tepper say over and over?  You have to admit that this is Cam's team.  Just saying that I wouldn't Rhule it out.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

The purpose of trading Cam is to get 19m off the books and maybe get a pick.

19m used for what? A pick? If it’s a throw away pick just release him. This just seems like a frantic way of handle the situation and not going about it the best way for the organization 

[Cpt slay a ho]

18 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I agree.  But something has been gnawing at me in the back of my mind about this whole Cam staying/going thing that I haven't seen discussed.  What if Cam's health or the questions about it aren't the only reason there's rumors of a change at the QB position?  Could it also be about this culture change we have been hearing Tepper say over and over?  You have to admit that this is Cam's team.  Just saying that I wouldn't Rhule it out.

Good question but the thing that’s throwing me in a loop is the comments all three have made throughout this process, I’m not a big fan of double talk so I take what Rhule, tepper and cam have said as a indication of the direction of the franchise, him wanting his guys ect than praising cam over and over is counter productive imo, I figured the buck stop at front office and head coach, I wouldn’t expect him to leak into changes on the roster as well unless a player was pending a huge extension 

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

Good question but the thing that’s throwing me in a loop is the comments all three have made throughout this process, I’m not a big fan of double talk so I take what Rhule, tepper and cam have said as a indication of the direction of the franchise, him wanting his guys ect than praising cam over and over is counter productive imo, I figured the buck stop at front office and head coach, I wouldn’t expect him to leak into changes on the roster as well unless a player was pending a huge extension 

I wouldn't put to much stock in what they are saying regarding Cam, or for the matter what Cam says either.  That's saying all the right things without saying anything at all.  What is most enlightening is what is not being said.