KK Short

[CBDellinger]

Hes not going to get an additional 14 mil this year or next.  14 mil is his potential salary... base + bonuses.   Its already part of the 20 mil.

[Jared Patterson]

Can we not just trade him for a mid round pick?

[MHS831]

On 2/17/2020 at 10:55 PM, pantherj said:

The only boat that ruined KK was the boat load of money we payed him.

and the one that took Star to Buffalo.

[MHS831]

On 2/18/2020 at 2:55 PM, rippadonn said:

Oops, we're not supposed to "win". My bad.

 

[stbugs]

22 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

Hes not going to get an additional 14 mil this year or next.  14 mil is his potential salary... base + bonuses.   Its already part of the 20 mil.

I don’t think you fully understand how the cap and contracts work. Yes the $14M is in his $20M cap number but he only gets that if we keep him. If we keep him it just keeps spreading out that $17M dead cap ($6M hits 2020 hence 2021 dead cap still $11M).

If he’s on the team he gets paid $14M in new money both years. He also has $17M in cap that was put into bonuses so not charged against the cap. That’s how dead cap happens. If we release or trade him we have $17M in cap charges left (dead cap). If we keep him for 2020, his cap hit is $20M in 2020 and $11M in 2021. 31 minus 17 is 14, the additional amount we pay him to be on the team in 2020. If we keep him the next two years, his cap hit is $20M in 2020 and 2021 and $6M in 2022 (via voided years alah Brees. That’s $46M total cap space.

So, as I said, if we keep Short for 2020, we pay him an additional $14M and lose $14M in cap and if we keep him both years we pay him an addition $29M and lose $29M in cap. People focus on dead cap, well if we keep Short we still have to pay way more than the dead cap amount if we release him. Short ain't close to worth $14M for one year let alone two years.

Unfortunately, Marty created the giant dead cap with the restructure and that will tempt him to keep Short who isn’t worth $14M more.

[CBDellinger]

Yes, you are the only one in the universe that understands how the cap works.  Unfortunately are absolutely terrible at explaining it.  
 

The bottom line is Shorts contract is upside down for 2020, cutting him would be ridic.  

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

Yes, you are the only one in the universe that understands how the cap works.  Unfortunately are absolutely terrible at explaining it.  
 

The bottom line is Shorts contract is upside down for 2020, cutting him would be ridic.  

The bottom line is everything he explained is fact. You just spouted off whatever happened according to you and your lack of understanding of the salary cap. As proven by your own words. I would have corrected it yesterday but therefore no way I would take that moment from bugs. 

[CBDellinger]

57 minutes ago, Toomers said:

The bottom line is everything he explained is fact. You just spouted off whatever happened according to you and your lack of understanding of the salary cap. As proven by your own words. I would have corrected it yesterday but therefore no way I would take that moment from bugs. 

I’m not contesting the numbers, I thought the way he explained it was funny. 

the moment comment is amazing

[Toomers]

6 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I’m not contesting the numbers, I thought the way he explained it was funny. 

the moment comment is amazing

Then what are/were you contesting? You plainly stated that we didn’t have to pay him 14M in “new” money. When it’s a FACT that they do. Maybe you could explain your stance in some sort of way.. Any way? Instead the way he proved you completely wrong is “funny”. Next time read up before you go around correcting people. 

[CBDellinger]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Then what are/were you contesting? You plainly stated that we didn’t have to pay him 14M in “new” money. When it’s a FACT that they do. Maybe you could explain your stance in some sort of way.. Any way? Instead the way he proved you completely wrong is “funny”. Next time read up before you go around correcting people

I made a comment about a post and then he explained it a different way.  Now I understand what he’s saying.  It’s a message board, that’s how it works.   

 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, CBDellinger said:

I made a comment about a post and then he explained it a different way.  Now I understand what he’s saying.  It’s a message board, that’s how it works.   

 

  You made a statement that was false. Trying to correct someone who was right. That’s when you just say....My bad, you were right.  And move on. That how life works. 

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

Yes, you are the only one in the universe that understands how the cap works.  Unfortunately are absolutely terrible at explaining it.  
 

The bottom line is Shorts contract is upside down for 2020, cutting him would be ridic.  

Hey, no worries. I’ll take that as a you now understand you were wrong. Also, if you think cutting him now is ridiculous then you’re wrong again. Cutting him now saves us $14M more in total cap space since you can rollover cap. You can’t just look at the numbers with no understanding of the stuff under the hood. Here’s an easy one assuming the CBA isn’t signed which means that there’s no post June 1st release.

Cut Short Now:

2020 Cap hit $17M all dead cap

Cut Short prior to 2021:

2020 Cap hit $20M with $14M in New $$$ plus $6M dead cap

2021 Cap hit $11M all dead cap

The best cap scenario is to only account for the $17M in dead cap which you can see is there no matter what we do. Spending another $14M on a now mediocre DT is ridic.

 

[Black&BlueBubba]

9 hours ago, Toomers said:

  You made a statement that was false. Trying to correct someone who was right. That’s when you just say....My bad, you were right.  And move on. That how life works. 

Not here on the huddle.  That’s when they dig their heals in   

[thefuzz]

Smartest thing to do is cut him this year and take the lumps, as I have been wanting to do for a long time now.  Make 2020 the year we clean up the cap for the next 5 year run.