KK Short

[pantherj]

The only boat that ruined KK was the boat load of money we payed him.

[The Huddler]

should have kept star. its ok we will get the dude from Auburn

[ForJimmy]

Short is the only solid DT we have. If we draft Brown or Simmons, I think he will be crucial in their development. He will help keep linemen off Simmons or Brown from getting doubled.

[CBDellinger]

He has a 20 mil cap hit and 17 of it would be dead money.  They can’t really move him and LOL if they do.  
 

Next year they can prob move on from short.  

[Waldo]

He isn't very tradable. He also isn't worth the contract. The restructure was stupid, mind numbingly dumb.

If we are going back to 4-3, I wouldn't mind putting Buttler on a prove it deal. He did produce last year, pass rush not run stoping obviously.

This isn't a hole we are digging out of in one offseason. Play KK another year and see if we can/should cut bait next offseason. Same with Paradis.

[MountaineerChemist10]

12 hours ago, CBDellinger said:

Hurney didn’t sign KK to the contract extension.  Gettleman did.  
 

 

Bingo. Before Gettleman was fired, he had plans of signing hog mollies like KK & Trai Turner long term & release old fan favs like TD & Greg Olsen. He gave KK a long contract Feb '17. Richardson did not like the idea so he fired him weeks before '17 training camp. Hurney finished the contract extension with Turner.

Has it worked so far? So far, nada. They both had nice '17 seasons but since then, not so much.

[TheMaulClaw]

I don't think it's fair to say that KK is garbage.  He was injured last year and that's more concerning.  The reality is, there was a huge drop off in D after KK went down last year.  He's a good player.  Is he worth his contract?  Probably not.

Trading him really hinges on the question of how bad we want to tank.  The reality is that a DLine made up of KK, D. Brown, Burns, and possibly Addison doesn't sound to bad.  That's if KK can return to form.  If the team actually wants to improve and see if they can be good before they tank next year then keeping KK would be smart.

If Tepper would just prefer to wave the white flag before the season even starts then that's another story.  We do have a lot of holes to fill but Dline could mask a lot of our weaknesses in the secondary.  It's quite honestly why I don't want to draft Okudah.  If our Dline is horrible that cat will get burned no matter how good he is.  

 

[MHS831]

14 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Surprised people haven't talked about trying to trade Short. He is 31 and is not going to be apart of a rebuild. He is still a top 10-12 DT in the league. I heard on the radio today that we should look to trade him and I completely agree. I understand his contract is way too expensive and Hurney screwed us yet again, but could we get a mid round draft pick for him?

I agree too, but he played poorly in 2018 and 2019 was IR. 2 years of non-performance for whatever reason (as we are seeing with Cam) is an eternity. 

I agree though--but if we trade KK and Poe, we have zero DTs but tons of cap.  I would pull the trigger---KK has not been KK since Star left.

[MHS831]

13 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Why Im saying we should trade him before the year starts. Do you not think we could get anything for him?

I do not see a trade--bad contract, poor recent performance history--the first word of free agency is free--you can sign a DT on the same deal without surrendering a draft pick. 

I think we are going to have to keep him--but if we could get a fourth or fifth rounder for him and lose that contract, I would take it.

[rippadonn]

It's not basketball. At least not yet. Trade happy armchair, fantasy football GMs

[rippadonn]

How many twenty year olds playing against fully grown men are going to win? Grown ars men! This ain't college football. You need veterans to win, period. What nonsense.

[musicman]

People who blame KK or for the contract he got are idiots. He played very well. The combination of no Star, Butler being crap and Washington as the DC all lead to the drop off and then last year being injured. He's still got. maybe not to the true value of the contract but if we let him walk 2 or 3 years ago, everybody would have been crying. Most big contracts are not worth it in the long run. He's a great players, he can still be dominant and a great locker room presence. 

I would keep him for several reasons but one being the cap hit is not worth it and he could help a developing team get to the next level. He's also a great guy and I know this personally. 

[CPcavedweller]

15 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Surprised people haven't talked about trying to trade Short. He is 31 and is not going to be apart of a rebuild. He is still a top 10-12 DT in the league. I heard on the radio today that we should look to trade him and I completely agree. I understand his contract is way too expensive and Hurney screwed us yet again, but could we get a mid round draft pick for him?

Hurney signed KK to what his market value based on his production to that point in time was. It's purely coincedental that following that deal KK fell off of a cliff. There is no way to predict that. I dislike Hurney as much as the next fan but this is on KK, biology, nature, or whatever else; but it's not on Hurney. If KK played how he did before the deal was inked, it would've been a bargain deal three years on.

[CBDellinger]

Sigh.