REPORT: Cam Newton is believed to be healthier

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

So is it completion percentage or deep ball efficiency? Can't have it both ways. Yes, his arm was shot in 2018. Particularly after that Watts boy almost knocked it off. Agreed when they figured out Cam was actually injured, they changed the way they played him. Not sure why our coaches didn't realize it too. 

RBs take hits and contact on a much different level though. You aren't gonna convince me differently. When you're asked to lower your head and ram into 1000+ pounds of men multiple times a game (and they usually only weigh around 200 pounds), that ish is different from anything Cam does. Cam's entire career hits are probably equivalent to 2-3 seasons of a starting running back. 

 

The completion percentage of an NFL QB should feature both long ball and short passes---when Cam lost the long ball, he only threw short passes--of course his percentage went up.  To the real point:

Yes, RBs do--and that is why they hit the wall at age 27-8. ("According to this data, the word "old" means 28 for a running back, 30 for a receiver, and 32 for a quarterback. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm  This is probably not a surprise, as it squares fairly well with conventional wisdom.")    To assume a QB is not vulnerable to hits like a RB is not a safe assumption.  Most of the QBs that last past 32 are not running QBs.  So if the average "old age" for a QB is 32 and the average "old age" for a RB is 28, would you be willing to agree that RUNNING QB--the one who has absorbed more hits than anyone else in the NFL---would fall somewhere between?  I do not know how you could argue otherwise.

"The NFL is a deeply unfair league. One hit can end a career, and if you take 1,235 of them, it gets hard to avoid the type of hit that could change your career. "  Cam has been hit far more often and more viciously than other NFL QBs.  See article:  https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/11/6/20951102/cam-newton-panthers-legacy-nfl-injured-reserve

So comparing Cam to a RB is more fair than it is not fair. This article in ESPN in 2016 is prophetic:  "Newton runs the ball much more than any other quarterback and gets hit much more than any other quarterback, and we'd all be fools if we failed to make a connection there. This is who Newton is, and it's who the Carolina Panthers ask him to be. But maybe it's time to think about changing things up a little bit. "  https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17747117/superman-simply-takes-too-many-hits-cam-newton-panthers-think-nfl-2016

Here is 1 game--tell me which of these hits features Cam in a position to absorb a hit as well or better than a RB.  If you think 10 hits on a QB is equal to half of 20 hits to a RB--you are not seeing the same contact I am:

 

[Bytes]

19 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

Think you need to read the definitions of fact and opinion.

OK...

Facts

Cam has 182 Career PASSING TDs and 108 INTs

 

 

[OneBadCat]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Facts are.  59%  71-59.   Those are facts.   Twist and make excuses all you want those are the facts

Stats that don't mean anything and don't matter. Got it.

[MHS831]

26 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK...

Facts

Cam has 182 Career PASSING TDs and 108 INTs

 

 

Matt Ryan, if you take the total number of passes that were TDs or INTs, has a TD percentage of 69%.  Matt Ryan is an average to above average QB. Tom Brady, using the same measure, is at 75%.  Joe Flacco, an average QB at best, is at 61%

Cam Newton is under 63%

So if you are throwing his TD to INT ratio, not the best measure for Cam.  It suggests that Cam has been average.

 

[ickmule]

Hey, let’s all speculate what this means for 10 pages.  Lol.  

[ickmule]

35 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Matt Ryan, if you take the total number of passes that were TDs or INTs, has a TD percentage of 69%.  Matt Ryan is an average to above average QB. Tom Brady, using the same measure, is at 75%.  Joe Flacco, an average QB at best, is at 61%

Cam Newton is under 63%

So if you are throwing his TD to INT ratio, not the best measure for Cam.  It suggests that Cam has been average.

 

And that he has.....great athlete, average QB. Take the run threat away and he is below average.  

[Cpt slay a ho]

Below average qbs win mvp’s too huh....

[rayzor]

Fixed the clickbait thread title

[Bytes]

13 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Below average qbs win mvp’s too huh....

He wasnt below avg that year. But look at all his other seasons and tell me his passing stats werent average at best. Thats one seasons out of 9.

[beo]

5 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

by form you mean 59% career passing, 71-59.   Tell me more

ah yes, spamming surface level stats that don't show the full story and totally ignore context.

[Cpt slay a ho]

19 minutes ago, Bytes said:

He wasnt below avg that year. But look at all his other seasons and tell me his passing stats werent average at best. Thats one seasons out of 9.

2013, 2018 were above average, 2017 was average.

all the other years are slightly below. 
 

that’s just simply passing stats, throw in the rushing and it’s a wrap 
 

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

57 minutes ago, Bytes said:

He wasnt below avg that year. But look at all his other seasons and tell me his passing stats werent average at best. Thats one seasons out of 9.

Who was he throwing to in those seasons? Legedau Nanee, Philly Brown, Brandon Lafell, Kelvin Benjamin, Devin Funchess, Armanti Edwards, Ted Ginn Jr.. That's the kind of talent we've managed to surround our Franchise Quarterback with during those "other seasons." Don't even get me started on the offensive lineman we've had blocking for that same Quarterback. CMC was the first 1,000 yard back Cam has had since he's been here. Can you believe that? You can't just look at a stats page and get the entire story. Especially if you call yourself a fan of the Panthers. Mike Shula was Cam's longest tenured offensive coordinator. Take a look around the league at all of the weapons these other young Qbs have in their prime years. That's what Cam SHOULD have had. Instead he wasted his talent playing for Carolina and fans like yourself.

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Fixed the clickbait thread title

yeah, this one's much better. 

[Car123]

9 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The stats say he is a 59% passer    

Andrew Luck has a 60% career comp pct, but he is a good quarterback, am I right?