The local media should be ashamed of themselves

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

2 hours ago, joeyxfresco said:

Observer has been trash for Panther news. Only shining light during the Cam era was Rodrigue.

damning with faint praise here

[ellis]

Is this an editorial? If it is, the headline is perfectly valid. May not be popular, but if it’s an opinion column, that’s the opinion of the author. If it’s been published as “news”, then the headline is borderline-bait. Context matters. Is there a link?

EDIT: I just saw it was a Scott Fowler column. So the headline, while unpopular with many, falls in line with his opinion. There are a lot of opinions out there right now. Just take it all with a grain of salt, I guess. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, ellis said:

Is this an editorial? If it is, the headline is perfectly valid. May not be popular, but if it’s an opinion column, that’s the opinion of the author. If it’s been published as “news”, then the headline is borderline-bait. Context matters. Is there a link?

Fowler is a columnist so...........

[Harbingers]

3 minutes ago, ellis said:

Is this an editorial? If it is, the headline is perfectly valid. May not be popular, but if it’s an opinion column, that’s the opinion of the author. If it’s been published as “news”, then the headline is borderline-bait. Context matters. Is there a link?

EDIT: I just saw it was a Scott Fowler column. So the headline, while unpopular with many, falls in line with his opinion. There are a lot of opinions out there right now. Just take it all with a grain of salt, I guess. 

It boggles my mind how many huddlers don’t understand the difference between opinions and news. 

[ellis]

Yeah, this is a column. It’s not the entire publication endorsing Cam’s departure. The headline is catchy, but they’re supposed to be.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, ellis said:

Yeah, this is a column. It’s not the entire publication endorsing Cam’s departure. The headline is catchy, but they’re supposed to be.

And generally not written by the author, as I understand it.

Again, believing something will happen does not equal wanting it to happen. I'd like to believe that's not a difficult thing to understand, but apparently a lot of folks can't tell the difference.

[TheRed]

19 minutes ago, ellis said:

Is this an editorial? If it is, the headline is perfectly valid. May not be popular, but if it’s an opinion column, that’s the opinion of the author. If it’s been published as “news”, then the headline is borderline-bait. Context matters. Is there a link?

EDIT: I just saw it was a Scott Fowler column. So the headline, while unpopular with many, falls in line with his opinion. There are a lot of opinions out there right now. Just take it all with a grain of salt, I guess. 

Fowler has already had Newton out the door for months.

 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Welcome to NFL football? How many other teams gave up on their franchise qb at 30 years old coming off injury? Rodgers? Roethlisberger? Brady? Brees? Stafford? Wentz? All of these guys have had significant/multiple injuries yet their teams have stuck by their side. Think the Colts are regretting letting Peyton go when they did? It's too early to give up on Cam and it will be a mistake when they release/trade him this offseason.

Umm, what a weird list. Brees missed 5 games when he was 24 and didn’t miss any time until age 40 and still finished the year. Brady missed a year at 31 but it was an ACL tear and no impact to his future. Wentz is 27 and they won a SB and last year was still his rookie deal and he played every game. Rodgers got hurt twice. Once he still played at the end of the year and once in 2017. Neither were big injuries where there was any worry about the next year. After the first one he played three years without missing a game and he’s already played two years without missing a game after 2017 and could go longer. None of these guys are comparable to Cam in terms on not finishing 3 out of 4 seasons (missing playoffs in all 3) and having a lingering issue over 4 years.

Roethlisberger is the only comparable one in terms of missing time although he tends to play in the playoffs even when dinged. This was his most injured year and he got a new contract before this season after 3 healthy years with 2 playoffs and missed 2018 playoffs in the last week.

I know this will hurt but because they all were on 1 or more Super Bowl winning teams these guys all got the benefit of the doubt. Look at mediocre Flacco. He legitimately was an average or below average QB (his passing stats are downright laughable) but got paid like the best QB solely for the SB win.

Why didn’t you list Luck? He’s the most comparable in terms of having a multi year injury and having multiple injuries close together and he retired.

The timing is bad. All of the other QBs were on playoff contenders coming off injury as well. So again, not comparable at al with Cam. It’s funny again that you don’t want to get rid of Cam and we certainly can’t extend him before we know 100% that he’s good for multiple years. That means you want Cam to risk a lot of money playing on a one year deal.

ETA: I forgot Stafford but I don’t feel like spending more time on this.

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Newton tried to be funny.  He wasn’t.  It was awkward and cringeworthy. He has had a few of those during his time here   The outrage, however,  was a bit over done 

It is a shame we don’t hold the President of the US, leader of the free world,  to as high a standard as we do a pro football player

Exactly, he lost endorsement deals and got way too much negative press (doesn’t help him now). I understand why he laughed. Room full of men in a male dominated sport and they ask him questions about what he’s wearing and she asks him about routes. Oh but we’re Neanderthals because we don’t think it was good that Cam was compared to legitimately awful people and that she parlayed it into a national news story as that helps her career. I may be OK with loving on from him but Cam’s a solid guy, period.

[TheSpecialJuan]

hehe

[KillerKat]

Lots of people just can't wait to get rid of the charismatic black QB.

[philit99]

Just now, KillerKat said:

Lots of people just can't wait to get rid of the charismatic black QB.

Not me, his skin color and demeanor mean nothing to me. I don’t think he is physically able to play the position and most importantly his style of play, anymore. Most important, he is in the final year of his contract. It would be nice if we could drop the race card and look at the player, especially his uncertain future health.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

4 hours ago, stbugs said:

Umm, what a weird list. Brees missed 5 games when he was 24 and didn’t miss any time until age 40 and still finished the year. Brady missed a year at 31 but it was an ACL tear and no impact to his future. Wentz is 27 and they won a SB and last year was still his rookie deal and he played every game. Rodgers got hurt twice. Once he still played at the end of the year and once in 2017. Neither were big injuries where there was any worry about the next year. After the first one he played three years without missing a game and he’s already played two years without missing a game after 2017 and could go longer. None of these guys are comparable to Cam in terms on not finishing 3 out of 4 seasons (missing playoffs in all 3) and having a lingering issue over 4 years.

Roethlisberger is the only comparable one in terms of missing time although he tends to play in the playoffs even when dinged. This was his most injured year and he got a new contract before this season after 3 healthy years with 2 playoffs and missed 2018 playoffs in the last week.

I know this will hurt but because they all were on 1 or more Super Bowl winning teams these guys all got the benefit of the doubt. Look at mediocre Flacco. He legitimately was an average or below average QB (his passing stats are downright laughable) but got paid like the best QB solely for the SB win.

Why didn’t you list Luck? He’s the most comparable in terms of having a multi year injury and having multiple injuries close together and he retired.

The timing is bad. All of the other QBs were on playoff contenders coming off injury as well. So again, not comparable at al with Cam. It’s funny again that you don’t want to get rid of Cam and we certainly can’t extend him before we know 100% that he’s good for multiple years. That means you want Cam to risk a lot of money playing on a one year deal.

ETA: I forgot Stafford but I don’t feel like spending more time on this.

No two situations are going to be the same. I may have over exaggerated about the "major injury" but anytime a player is lost for 8+ games especially a quarterback I consider that to be a pretty serious injury. There has only been 1 time Cam has missed more than 2 games in a season.

Cam's injuries also came on freak plays it's not like hes constantly getting hurt. Yes the shoulder injury is scary however hes had a lot, A LOT of time for it to heal. The reason I didn't list Luck is because he quit playing after his injury. Had he gone to a different team or remained with the Colts I would have listed him. 

How do you think the organization/fan base would be acting if Cam tore his ACL instead of his shoulder or his foot? It'd be the same things you are hearing now. ACL is a pretty tough injury to come back from fully. Granted it should be easier for a pure pocket passer but still. Brady still has to move and make sharp cuts to climb the pocket and plant to throw the ball so it is definitely always a question if any player including a pocket passer can recover fully from an injury like that. Rodgers, Brady, and Ben will always be held in the higher regard than Cam because they are SB winners and more accomplished veterans. That doesn't take away from the fact that Cam is still a Franchise Quarterback the value he brings to an organization is priceless because he's more than capable of winning a superbowl if he has help. 

I wont waste my time going into any more details on other players either it's a waste of time because no two situations will ever be the same. The last part I want to touch on is extending Cam. Do you think another team is going to offer Cam an extension before seeing him play? Cam is all but guaranteed to play out his last deal with us or someone else. I dont see a team giving up any sort of value draft picks wise without an agreed upon extension with Cam in place. I think at the end of the day we trade him for a 5th, 6th, or 7th rounder or we will just out right release him. And honestly Cam should play this year on a 1 year deal to prove he's healthy and still can play at a high level. Then next year he can cash in or retire if he's not healthy.

[45catfan]

4 hours ago, ellis said:

Local newspapers are more vulnerable now than ever. They need clicks, and this is what seems to work.

Yup, the only thing media knows is controversy...it sells.  The worst thing the Panthers organization could do is say Cam is back today.   After a day or so, these folks would have nothing to do and would have to drum up some other controversy to stay relevant.