BREAKING NEWS: David Tepper speaks on Cam Newton status with Panthers

[Mvp2014]

most obvious statement ever.  if hes hurt again hes done here

[raz]

if we want burrow we package pick #7, cam, and cmc and see if they'll pull the trigger.   if we want tua it may take the same thing.  we'll see what happens.   it doesn't appear that the timing of having cmc on the roster is very important right now.   

[raz]

1 minute ago, bull123 said:

Insane

well what would you do with cmc?  if we're not gonna be good for a few years what's the point of having him on the team? why not use him to get something the team wants?   filling seats does not matter at all.  there is revenue sharing and tepper is loaded.  would you leave him on the team?  pay him?

[carolinarolls]

2 hours ago, bull123 said:

Insane

Agreed packaging CM with anything or anyone to get a QB from the top of the list is a bad idea.  Like, really bad.  CM and any serviceable QB on the scrap heap is what will keep us from losing every game 30-3 for the next two seasons.  We need to be able to stop the run and maintain more than one offensive drive (first or second one of the game) per game before we bring in the piece that will enable us to ride that wave under the cap (see Mahomes) for the following 4 seasons.  There is an order to these things.  QB's are just so damn expensive in two ways.  First they cost.  They really cost.  Then they force you to spend everywhere else to "give them a chance".  The team is the other 52 guys to me.  The QB is the icing.

[stbugs]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

So what are your thoughts on shopping CMC if we are rebuilding?

You better not get emotional now *wags finger*

Lol. We’ve been through this before. No race baiting me on this one. Love CMC as well, but as I mentioned last time he’s an offensive weapon. I see no difference between paying him like KC pays Hill, Watkins and Kelce. Same with DJ Moore. They are both young and healthy so I see no reason not to keep them for 2021-2025 while I can only hope we get Lawrence.

Trading away guys that don’t fit in the five year plan doesn’t include CMC and Moore because they fit the 5 year plan IMHO. Guys like Olsen, Poe, Short and possibly Cam don’t. If Cam was still playing at a high level and healthy then I wouldn’t be saying tank for Trevor or maybe I should say rebuild with Trevor so people don’t get mad.

[TheRed]

21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Lol. We’ve been through this before. No race baiting me on this one. Love CMC as well, but as I mentioned last time he’s an offensive weapon. I see no difference between paying him like KC pays Hill, Watkins and Kelce. Same with DJ Moore. They are both young and healthy so I see no reason not to keep them for 2021-2025 while I can only hope we get Lawrence.

Trading away guys that don’t fit in the five year plan doesn’t include CMC and Moore because they fit the 5 year plan IMHO. Guys like Olsen, Poe, Short and possibly Cam don’t. If Cam was still playing at a high level and healthy then I wouldn’t be saying tank for Trevor or maybe I should say rebuild with Trevor so people don’t get mad.

In a perfect world CMC retires many years from now as a career Panther, and Cam rides off into the sunset after they win a Super Bowl together in 2020. But this isn't that. If Newton is now in the past as a viable starter for this franchise, a new quarterback has to step in by 2021 at the latest if we want to avoid being awful for 4 or 5 consecutive years. That means if we have to package known talent in order to acquire that quarterback, then we shouldn't be afraid to ponder that possibility.

As far as tanking. That's a fan concept that really doesn't have much basis in reality from an organizational standpoint. So many things have to go a certain way for us, and then you have to consider how low the team culture will continue to sink in the midst of all that losing. Not to mention the possibility of losing not just Kuechly but also Newton in the same year. Regardless, there are no guarantees the outcome we want is what we will get in a tank year. Even in 2019 we lost 8 in a row to end the year and we still only got the 7th pick. Washington kicked our asses up and down the field and they're sitting on the 2nd overall selection.

[Waldo]

CMC and Moore would be guys who we most likely would have to leverage on the next rebuild if this one craps out, which is entirely possible unfortunately. 

There are still too many unknowns to guess well which way this settles. So far, meh to the direction and implementation. 

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, raz said:

well what would you do with cmc?  if we're not gonna be good for a few years what's the point of having him on the team? why not use him to get something the team wants?   filling seats does not matter at all.  there is revenue sharing and tepper is loaded.  would you leave him on the team?  pay him?

CMC is 23. He won’t be 29 until 2026. He’s not even off his rookie deal yet. His extension would align with 2021-2025 when he’s 25-29. Would you trade DJ Moore? He’s literally 1 year behind CMC in age and contracts. If there’s no way you’d trade Moore then I don’t see the reasoning to trade CMC. 

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

CMC is 23. He won’t be 29 until 2026. He’s not even off his rookie deal yet. His extension would align with 2021-2025 when he’s 25-29. Would you trade DJ Moore? He’s literally 1 year behind CMC in age and contracts. If there’s no way you’d trade Moore then I don’t see the reasoning to trade CMC. 

Harsh truth is looking around the league at the successful teams, running backs are becoming more and more plug and play and requiring less investment. That isn't so much the case with WR.

[stbugs]

14 minutes ago, TheRed said:

In a perfect world CMC retires many years from now as a career Panther, and Cam rides off into the sunset after they win a Super Bowl together in 2020. But this isn't that. If Newton is now in the past as a viable starter for this franchise, a new quarterback has to step in by 2021 at the latest if we want to avoid being awful for 4 or 5 consecutive years. That means if we have to package known talent in order to acquire that quarterback, then we shouldn't be afraid to ponder that possibility.

As far as tanking. That's a fan concept that really doesn't have much basis in reality from an organizational standpoint. So many things have to go a certain way for us, and then you have to consider how low the team culture will continue to sink in the midst of all that losing. Not to mention the possibility of losing not just Kuechly but also Newton in the same year. Regardless, there are no guarantees the outcome we want is what we will get in a tank year. Even in 2019 we lost 8 in a row to end the year and we still only got the 7th pick. Washington kicked our asses up and down the field and they're sitting on the 2nd overall selection.

The bolded is why your perfect world is just a fantasy now. It’s also why even though people hate the word, we are basically already tanking. Washington sucked and they went on a 29-0 run on us. We are bad and now we don’t have Kuechly and Olsen. We have a bunch of other FAs we won’t resign and people still want to try and fix things and hope Cam is healthy. The draft with Marty has netted us 2 starters the past two years and some possible starters. We are somehow going to replace Kuechly, Olsen, McCoy, Irvin, Cockrell, Boston, Bradberry and others and our OL is magically not going to give up almost 60 sacks?

Organizations don’t say tank but if we go through FA letting people go for comp picks, then our 5 year rebuild is starting with a tank. Gross admitted we did that in 2010, so let’s not sugar coat our history. We basically tanked in 2001 and 2010 and got Peppers and Cam. No reason we can’t do it again.

[Skack25]

The idea of trading a proven player like CMC in hopes of getting someone that might maybe possibly end up being ok like Trevor Lawrence is preposterous.

[TheRed]

Just now, Skack25 said:

The idea of trading a proven player like CMC in hopes of getting someone that might maybe possibly end up being ok like Trevor Lawrence is preposterous.

Is CMC going to play quarterback?

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, TheRed said:

Harsh truth is looking around the league at the successful teams, running backs are becoming more and more plug and play and requiring less investment. That isn't so much the case with WR.

What about Tennessee? Who’s plugging in for Henry? There are always examples of both. SF didn’t need a great RB because their OL was fantastic this year. If you’re OL opens gaping holes then it is plug and play but there are very few of those teams. If the Patriots had CMC, they weren’t losing. He’s not a plug and play RB. How many other RBs have 1000/1000 and how many have 2000+ total yards? He’s a weapon. Mostert isn’t a weapon and is easily replaceable. Non-elite WRs are just as plug and play. There aren’t many Tyreke Hills but there’s plenty of Sammy Watkins.

[TheRed]

Just now, stbugs said:

What about Tennessee? Who’s plugging in for Henry? There are always examples of both. SF didn’t need a great RB because their OL was fantastic this year. If you’re OL opens gaping holes then it is plug and play but there are very few of those teams. If the Patriots had CMC, they weren’t losing. He’s not a plug and play RB. How many other RBs have 1000/1000 and how many have 2000+ total yards? He’s a weapon. Mostert isn’t a weapon and is easily replaceable. Non-elite WRs are just as plug and play. There aren’t many Tyreke Hills but there’s plenty of Sammy Watkins.

Yeah, and what happened to Tennessee when they went up against a well rounded team who actually had a quarterback a level above Tannehill?