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For those who want to tank for Trevor Lawrence?

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mrcompletely11 Grand Master

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40 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

I don’t see how playing on one of the best teams money can buy against average/below average competition while risking serious injury is advantageous for Lawrence or will improve his game. He probably doesn’t want the steady influx of Clempson booster money to suddenly stop. 

This is some bad shtick

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2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm neither for or against Trevor.  I just watch the games.   Doesn't matter who's playing what position.  It's just entertainment.

I'm just sitting back laughing at how close to the heart some people are taking it. Cam is my guy and I want him to make a full recovery if possible but if the Panthers decide to move on so be it. I'd rather they move on then try to force a situation where neither party is happy. If they do decide to trade him then it's the perfect opportunity because Lawrence is potentially the next great can't miss QB prospect. How many teams have moved from one franchise QB directly to another, only a few.

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37 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Of course he is in it to make money.  He's doing it his way, not the way fans want to see it.  If you do not like the way he is running his team you don't have to be a fan.  As for myself I am just watching it all unfold and getting a laugh at how emotional some of you are getting over this.  

Again do you have any skin in the game? If not who cares what you think? Maybe he won't miss my money but if enough folks feel the same way it will matter.

I don't see a lot of folks who actually support the team with their hard earned money being fine with tanking for a few years when nothing is guaranteed that tanking will work or actually build a consistent winner. Of course you don't have an emotional reaction, you don't have much to lose. 

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1 minute ago, Chief Keek said:

I'm just sitting back laughing at how close to the heart some people are taking it. Cam is my guy and I want him to make a full recovery if possible but if the Panthers decide to move on so be it. I'd rather they move on then try to force a situation where neither party is happy. If they do decide to trade him then it's the perfect opportunity because Lawrence is potentially the next great can't miss QB prospect. How many teams have moved from one franchise QB directly to another, only a few.

Well one thing is certain, Tepper is going to do what he wants to do regardless of how player fans react.  It looks as if there will be someone else slinging the rock other the the former franchise QB going forward.  It is what it is.

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2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again do you have any skin in the game? If not who cares what you think? Maybe he won't miss my money but if enough folks feel the same way it will matter.

I don't see a lot of folks who actually support the team with their hard earned money being fine with tanking for a few years when nothing is guaranteed that tanking will work or actually build a consistent winner. Of course you don't have an emotional reaction, you don't have much to lose. 

Spoiler alert: It won't

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2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Again do you have any skin in the game? If not who cares what you think? Maybe he won't miss my money but if enough folks feel the same way it will matter.

I don't see a lot of folks who actually support the team with their hard earned money being fine with tanking for a few years when nothing is guaranteed that tanking will work or actually build a consistent winner. Of course you don't have an emotional reaction, you don't have much to lose. 

If you purchased PSL's as an investment and not as the expense it really is then you are wasting your money.  Tepper and the Panthers do not need my support. He knows someone will take my place at throwing money away to buy a license to purchase season tickets.  That's the reality of the situation. 

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11 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If you purchased PSL's as an investment and not as the expense it really is then you are wasting your money.  Tepper and the Panthers do not need my support. He knows someone will take my place at throwing money away to buy a license to purchase season tickets.  That's the reality of the situation. 

Expense or asset doesn't matter. It is whether I will keep supporting the team to the team of several thousand this year. The PSL issue is history but whether I keep throwing money down this hole is relevant to the future.

And good luck finding another 62000 folks with money to spend. Ask the Chargers or Atlanta or the other teams that struggle to fill their stadium how that is working out. 

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3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Expense or asset doesn't matter. It is whether I will keep supporting the team to the team of several thousand this year. The PSL issue is history but whether I keep throwing money down this hole is relevant to the future.

And good luck finding another 62000 folks with money to spend. Ask the Chargers or Atlanta or the other teams that struggle to fill their stadium how that is working out. 

It does matter.  It matters because you think you are supposed to get a return on it when the reality is that it is taking your money and you only get the right to sit in the stadium and watch as long as you pay the fee.  That is all you are guaranteed.  Expecting anything else is folly.  

If those current 62,000 psl holders think the same way then yes they will probably not show up anymore either.  But I'm guessing Tepper is banking on those fans being replaced by new fans if and when he builds a successful team.  If he doesn't then it will be no different than the last 25 + years of Panthers football.

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1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Trust me if I sell my PSLs I won't be buying back in. It is getting to where the home experience and cheap food and beer outweighs spending all day at the stadium to routinely watch opposing fans march out of the stadium victorious week after week.  As for leverage it isn't about trying to.make Tepper do anything. Is is simply pointing out that without fans the team is irrelevant. Ask most of the Florida fans how it works out to play in front of empty stadiums where opposing fans outnumber home fans on a weekly basis.

As for Lawrence, he is a product of who is around him not the other way around. When Cam.played for Auburn he was the offense. Lawrence is a good quarterback but surely not an exceptional.athletic talent like Cam was.

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning weren’t exceptional athletes. Most HOF QBs weren’t either. Who cares if Lawrence isn’t as athletic as Cam? He’s actually pretty athletic, but at this point, I just want a QB who can throw a good pass.

Also, LOL at Lawrence being some just OK recruit. He won a National Championship over a loaded Alabama team and he started as an 18 year old turning 19 during the season. He’s not a slouch. He was the #2 recruit his year with the same rating as #1 Fields. There’s very few QBs that ever did what he did as a true freshman. Clemson has a lot of talent, like Alabama does, but Lawrence is as talented as anyone. Did you watch the Ohio State game? Higgins got hurt early and had 33 yards. Etienne had 36 yards rushing. Lawrence basically beat OSU, who was a damn good team with great talent on D. They’ll have a DE and CB that will likely go top 5, another 2nd round CB and a DT and LB likely in the 3rd. That’s just the ones coming out this year.

Anyway, it does amaze me the hoops people jump through to protect Cam. Love him as my QB but we’ve gotten very little healthy play since 2017 and I’m not going to act like we’ll never replace him. Maybe the team wants to keep him and hope. That’s their call. I just know that I’d love to get Lawrence for the next decade. Maybe he won’t pan out and maybe our rebuild will suck and we’ll be the new Cleveland, but it’s worth the chance just like the last two rebuilds.

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1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

I don’t see how playing on one of the best teams money can buy against average/below average competition while risking serious injury is advantageous for Lawrence or will improve his game. He probably doesn’t want the steady influx of Clempson booster money to suddenly stop. 

I can’t believe I’m bothering with a real reply. He’s not a RB so he’s got a good chance to remain healthy and again he just turned 20 in October. He’s a true junior this year, not a 4th or 5th year guy. He started off last season really off throwing a lot of interceptions and then he hit a great groove all the way through beating OSU. He had a bad game against LSU. He’s not finished developing and learning. This year he needs to be on the field to keep his career going and be a great NFL QB. If you think he can’t improve, you’re wrong.

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