Can someone with more time and access to information do a comparison of timeouts/delay of game penalties for me?

[1of10Charnatives]

10 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

allen wasn't making presnap adjustments though so you then have to weigh the benefits of allowing allen time to look at the defensive alignment presnap vs allowing the defense to get a longer look at the offense and using movement to confuse allen. im of the belief that it was probably best if allen didn't think about things much. snap the ball, hit your one read and let them work after the catch. keep things very simple for him.

True. This makes sense as well. KISS for the rookie.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, hepcat said:

Back when Cam was the starting QB, it seemed like at least once or even twice a game the team would have to burn a timeout or take a delay of game penalty because the playclock was running out of time. It happened twice in a row against the Rams in Week 1 last year due to what appeared to be a helmet issue, but that was obviously not the first time that happened.

I felt like that team almost never burned timeouts for this situation when Kyle Allen was starting. Can someone run a comparison to maybe Cam's 14 games in 2018 to Kyle's 14 games in 2019? 

I don't know about the time outs, but this site gives the number of delay of game penalties.  They have been fairly consistent over the last three years.  Five in 2017, six in 2018 and 6 again in 2019.  

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/delay-of-game?view=team&year=2019

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I don't know about the time outs, but this site gives the number of delay of game penalties.  They have been fairly consistent over the last three years.  Five in 2017, six in 2018 and 6 again in 2019.  

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/delay-of-game?view=team&year=2019

Took a look at that and including the 2016 season, our delay of games have a very strange difference.

This makes me think that some of it could very well be Cam's heroics, and then his point/dab or whatever, although I figured it was more coaching.

4 seasons, 21 delay of game penalties:

17 at home.  4 on the road.

Now I didn't look at the other teams, but that seems really strange to me....one would think that on the road, in hostile/loud environments, that we would have more delays, not a LOT less.

Kinda strange.

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

they simplified the offense for kyle allen and got the play calls in quicker because they understood the liability they had under center. there's a reason cam would be visibly upset and at times even yelling at the sideline when we burned timeouts or took delay of game penalties. coaching staff was filled with dumb dumbs

This.

[raz]

cam ended up behind center with under 5 seconds on the play clock for his 2 games last year, and it was a huge issue in '18.  i wanted rivera fired over it because that was the 2nd OC in a row to have this happen with.  we burned lots of timeouts over it.   we all bitched about clock management.    there is no time to make pre-snap reads when you end up at the line with less than 5 seconds.   this is and has been a cam issue.   he has a hard time getting the plays called - he's admitted that.    to me, and this is just a guess, as his pain levels increased, so did the time it took for him to psych himself into getting off his knee and out of the huddle and doing it again.   

[Khyber53]

2 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

they simplified the offense for kyle allen and got the play calls in quicker because they understood the liability they had under center. there's a reason cam would be visibly upset and at times even yelling at the sideline when we burned timeouts or took delay of game penalties. coaching staff was filled with dumb dumbs

There were also times when Cam was watching the replay or celebrating before heading into the huddle and having to burn a time out. Coaches communication is cut off after just a few seconds and there may be some real wasted moments there. Of course, some of what caused that problem is also some of Cam's great strength, too -- Cam thrives on tempo, celebration and a dose of limelight. Sometimes you just take the good and bad together.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Took a look at that and including the 2016 season, our delay of games have a very strange difference.

This makes me think that some of it could very well be Cam's heroics, and then his point/dab or whatever, although I figured it was more coaching.

4 seasons, 21 delay of game penalties:

17 at home.  4 on the road.

Now I didn't look at the other teams, but that seems really strange to me....one would think that on the road, in hostile/loud environments, that we would have more delays, not a LOT less.

Kinda strange.

The athome vs on the road is strange.  One would think that it would be the reverse.  Almost makes me wonder if there are communication/technical issues at home.  

[thefuzz]

18 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The athome vs on the road is strange.  One would think that it would be the reverse.  Almost makes me wonder if there are communication/technical issues at home.  

It would have been sorted out if that were the issue, 1 year I could see, 4?  Not so much.

After looking at the numbers it's 1 of 2 things, IMO.  Cam showing off for the home crowd and taking too much time off the clock, or coaches forgetting to get the play calls in quickly in Charlotte.

The numbers home vs. away point toward a Cam issue, or it would have shown up equally at home and away.

And this is from someone who mostly thought it was a coaching thing.

[brandon_87]

On 2/11/2020 at 6:08 AM, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

they simplified the offense for kyle allen and got the play calls in quicker because they understood the liability they had under center. there's a reason cam would be visibly upset and at times even yelling at the sideline when we burned timeouts or took delay of game penalties. coaching staff was filled with dumb dumbs

Simplified? How? With Cam it's read option left, or read option right. We got to see a real offense this year for the first time in a long time. Wasn't amazing, but it was nice to see the ball moving

[MHS831]